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Comments on news posted 2001-03-22 11:48:11: An insider claims to us the likely winning bidder is AT&T (we reported them as a finalist on March 6th). The kicker is that they want the HARD assets only - network gear etc, but have no interest in the subscriber base. ..

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Kibbles Premium join:1999-07-31 Mission Viejo, CA	Shit happens ;( I`ll miss playing WFA with a ping of 15-30ms....but maybe Megapath will want to keep me as a customer..
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:02:08 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Crap!! What should I do? No other CLEC in the CO, no cable, out of range for Telco DSL, NP was the only one to provide IDSL. Damn, whats going to happen?
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:03:12 ·

watson2037 join:2000-09-03 Sarasota, FL	Re: Crap!! Your screwed, glad i didnt switch to NP from @home -- -Brett Catlin
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:04:16 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: Crap!! Yeah, I guess you are right, I am probably screwed now, finally its caught up with me. I was on a Zyan (chp 11) circuit and NP line, damn, I wish Pac Bell turns on that Remote Terminal real quick.
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:06:29 ·

justin Australian join:1999-05-28 Brooklyn, NY	If its true, maybe AT&T will drop you a flyer in a few months after they boot up a new system. damn. My home line will go byebye as well if this happens.
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:05:31 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed	Re: Crap!! Justin: what do you think about this? The 'inside news' says that they want the hard parts: the DSLAM, the equipment and all. Well, are they going to move it out of the present COs and relocate them elsewhere or what? Is ATT likely to offer new DSL service in these areas (I think they do offer DSL presently)? What's your take on this?
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:09:36 ·

Network Guy

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Re: Crap!!

The article says they're not interested in the customer base. Basically, they don't care to cut everyone off at the CO. All they care to do is to make all that equipment available again for new subscribers. So.. In fact, all they want you to do is start over from scratch, and hope that your ILEC won't give you a hard time reconditioning your loop by saying you already have DSL on your line. Arrgghh!! This is so frustrating!!

permalink · 2001-03-21 22:15:47 ·

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If they don't want be in DSL they could be after something else, loads of aeron chairs for example..

If they do want to be in the DSL business, the DSLAMs are copper mountain and SDSL is a better fit for a business provider but an issue is the sales model I guess.. AT&T is probably not interested in an indirect relationship (letting ISPs front their sales efforts), hence they are prepared to let the subscriber base float away and to hell with them, rather than take on board a bunch of ISPs, who take half the customers money, and then go into competition with them anyway.

Who owns the customer? this was always the problem with DSL, and it came up again and again in all these chapter 11 cases. If the ISP owns the customer, AT&T may be forbidden to market to them directly.. they may not be buying the customer records. They may take months to setup the CO interconnections again, and peering points, perhaps they will start offering SDSL again at relatively high prices months from now. Cold comfort for people wanting a solution tomorrow.

Could also knock around Rhythms and Covad more - having to compete with not just the ILECs (who don't do business well), but AT&T with a plug and play DSL network they bought at a firesale?

But I'm just guessing. The ideal situation is if Rhythms finds some spare cash and outbids AT&T..
gotta wonder how MSN is going to react to this, they must have a few thousand soon to be very unhappy customers to look after.
[text was edited by author 2001-03-21 22:43:17]

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Network Guy join:2000-08-25 New York ·PHONE POWER ·Broadvox Direct ·Verizon Online DSL	Re: Crap!! I guess that's another way of looking at it, and it makes perfect business sense. It could become a nightmare for any newcoming CLEC, even ISP's, to migrate all customers over, as we've seen previously with Flashcom and Zyan. What ever happened to competition? Umm.. Say, the Telecom Act pretty much failed majorly across the board huh.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 07:11:04 ·

russotto join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA	Re: Crap!! Any Telecom Act will fail as long as it doesn't address the core issue of local loop competition. That is, the ILECs have to lose their monopoly. Looks like I'm back to dialup... >15,000 feet from the CO, no cable, no wireless.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 11:36:04 ·

Network Guy join:2000-08-25 New York	Re: Crap!! I hear you. I'm back to dialup as well, no cable, no wireless, and definitely don't wish to get satellite.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 11:59:42 ·

rmarynowski

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What does a company with a poor business plan have to do with local loop competition? The key to the ILECs losing their monopoly are companies that use alternative last mile delivery systems such as cable or wireless. I know of plenty of people who have given up their ILEC line and strictly use their cellphone as their primary phone. Covad, Rhythms, and Northpoint finally realized that selling a service that involves two middle men doesn't turn much profit.

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aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	BILL GATES,, SAVE US, PLEASE!!!!! You have more money than AT & T.....SAVE US!!!! Do something good for the 81,000 of us who will be SCREWED by AT & T!!!..... I will not pay my AT&T credit card now, in PROTEST!!! Dee
	permalink · 2001-03-22 13:22:35 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: BILL GATES,, SAVE US, PLEASE!!!!! Yes but he didn't get rich by giving his money away. And trust me, ATT is not going to miss your credit card. If they really cared, they would think twice about disconnecting 81K customers.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 13:50:07 ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: BILL GATES,, SAVE US, PLEASE!!!!! Bill has enough to give some away, and turn NP into a profitable DCLEC! Also, if we all (100%) boycotted AT&T everything, they wouldn't have any money to buy the equipment....LOL. SCREW AT&T!!!! Dee
	permalink · 2001-03-22 14:33:54 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed	Re: BILL GATES,, SAVE US, PLEASE!!!!! I am actually hoping that ATT takes us for customers. They might do that at a higher fee, but atleast we get DSL. And you know yourself deecadams, nobody is really going to boycott ATT, business is going to go on as usual for the corporates, its us customers and NP staff who are going to feel the pinch.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 14:45:30 ·

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Re: BILL GATES,, SAVE US, PLEASE!!!!!

>>And you know yourself deecadams, nobody is really going to boycott ATT, business is going to go on as usual for the corporates, its us customers and NP staff who are going to feel the pinch.

It is that kind of powerless thinking that gets us NOWHERE and forces people to accept whatever the BIG BOYS want to dish out. Glad you were not in charge of the civil rights movement, otherwise some of us would still be sitting at the back of the bus! ;(
[text was edited by author 2001-03-22 17:49:14]

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unhappy @radix.net	How about reporting or posting information about the banks so we know who to blame and boycott if there is no transition?
	permalink · 2001-03-22 12:14:41 ·

Hpower Roflmao join:2000-06-08 Glendale, CA ·Charter Pipeline	Damn, so northpoint is about to go bankrupt? I used to have IDSL with COVAD, but it was the worst, EVER. A friend of mine had SDSL with northpoint, and the connection was ALWAYS rock solid with EXCELLENT pings and speeds. -- Charter Pipeline MACH 3 Service (1.5mbps/512kbps) Status: Working excellent! 1532/489! First hop: Less than 10!
	permalink · 2001-03-22 18:53:37 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: Crap!! Dude, NP is DEAD. Check out »www.northpoint.net for their press release announcing their demise.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 19:02:33 ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! I wish everyone would just VOTE DOWN every post of yours. You are doing nothing but rubbing salt into the wound. Geeze. Dee
	permalink · 2001-03-22 19:04:08 ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! LOL, really bright? LOL. Vote down the post of the victim, instead of the person bashing & gloating over NP's demise, and the 81,000 dumped subscribers. Incredible - Just about hilarious.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 19:34:15 ·

dsl_boy

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Re: Crap!!

said by deecadams:
LOL, really bright? LOL. Vote down the post of the victim, instead of the person bashing & gloating over NP's demise, and the 81,000 dumped subscribers.

Incredible - Just about hilarious.

Gee, I'm sorry, I didn't realize a post by Araina such as "Crap!" (see the first post in this thread!) was gloating and bashing. It seemed like he too was frustrated. Thanks for reading carefully.
[text was edited by author 2001-03-22 19:56:55]

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aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! Guess you didn't read the subsequent posts, which were nothing but rubbing it in......I read ALL of them. For someone like me, with no other CLEC/DCLEC in the area (or even cable), I am really screwed. Araina may have other recourse, I do not. Thanks for your concern and understanding of my position. Dee [text was edited by author 2001-03-22 20:05:06]
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:02:41 ·

dsl_boy

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Re: Crap!!

said by deecadams:
Guess you didn't read the subsequent posts, which were nothing but rubbing it in......I read ALL of them. For someone like me, with no other CLEC/DCLEC in the area (or even cable), I am really screwed. Araina may have other recourse, I do not.

Thanks for your concern and understanding of my position.

Dee

[text was edited by author 2001-03-22 20:05:06]

Gee, since you read ALL the posts, I guess you read this one

said by araina:
What should I do? No other CLEC in the CO, no cable, out of range for Telco DSL, NP was the only one to provide IDSL. Damn, whats going to happen?

Yes, those are excellent reading skills you are demonstrating. Now please elaborate on the many other "recourse" actions open to Araina.

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aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! How about you elaborating on how many subsequent posts Araina listed about "NP is dead", "NP is dying", "Read the news", and btw....(in same fashion), deecadams, your ideas of doing anything are worthless. Yes, that sounds like someone who cares about others in a similar or worse situation? Geeze....how about you leaving me alone, that would be a start.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:14:11 ·

dsl_boy

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Re: Crap!!

said by deecadams:
How about you elaborating on how many subsequent posts Araina listed about "NP is dead", "NP is dying", "Read the news", and btw....(in same fashion), deecadams, your ideas of doing anything are worthless. Yes, that sounds like someone who cares about others in a similar or worse situation?

Of course, you are completely right. Northpoint will never die as long as it lives on in our hearts, so Araina's pointing out that its assets are being sold to AT&T was completely inappropriate. Certainly he was way out of line by actually posting news (like a press release) in a news forum. After all, this was meant to be a support group, not a way of getting up-to-date information.

Your plans to rectify the situation by refusing to pay your credit card bill was outstanding. I expect it to be front page news on the Wall Street Journal tomorrow. Thanks from all of us for your well-reasoned, sober advice.

permalink · 2001-03-22 20:27:28 · Print ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! Thanks for reading the entire thread, and the same comment posted by the same person, no less than 20x. As if you are too ignorant to read it the first 19x??? You needed more? LOL.... Don't worry about my resolution, as it is my business. And if I make the front page of WSJ, than I shall have you to thank for it, and the 15 minutes of fame? Please let it happen Dee
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:31:00 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed	------------------------------------------------------------ Your plans to rectify the situation by refusing to pay your credit card bill was outstanding. I expect it to be front page news on the Wall Street Journal tomorrow. Thanks from all of us for your well-reasoned, sober advice. ------------------------------------------------------------LOL.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:31:20 ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! You two must be pals? At minimum, joined at the hip.... I am done with this. Have a good one! LOL. Dee [text was edited by author 2001-03-22 20:52:19]
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:35:35 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Don't take it too far dsl_boy. We don't need to start a flame war. Its been a bad day anyways and now we (atleast I am) are faced with return to the 56K domain. Just pray that a miracle happens and somehow ATT decides to retain the customer base.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:14:24 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed	I wish you would read my posts a little more carefully. I have no other means of getting broadband, other than NP. I thought I wrote that out pretty clear in my original post. And I hope that you stop making out conspiracy theories in my posts and realize that I not 'gloating over NP's demise'. I have no reason to.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:12:05 ·

aliasrlz Premium join:2000-09-01 the world	Re: Crap!! See my post to dsl boy, about the 20x you posted "NP is dead". Is that suppose to make us feel better?? We can read, like you. Dee
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:15:19 ·

AR
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Re: Crap!!

If you need to feel better, see a counselor. This is a public forum where we debate issues within bounds of reason. If I posted "NP is dead", I certainly didn't mean to gloat and I certainly am not happy about the whole thing. That post was to let other DSLR members who joined in late to know that a major CLEC is out of business. This is a hard reality and if you are seeking escapism,then certainly this forum might not be for you.

And if you think (again mistakenly) that I meant to say that anything you do is meaningless, I meant that however much you AND I cry about this, ATT will do what they want to.

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aliasrlz
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Re: Crap!!

Maybe you need to see a counselor if you think posting the same stuff 20x, and in rebuttals also, was for benefit of late DSLR members? As if they couldn't read the other 100 listings/posts before yours??? You must have, at minimum, posted 10 rebuttals to people saying nothing else but "NP is dead". Geeze.....

I'm not seeking escapism, just figured you thought people were too blind to read the OTHER 100 posts before yours, so I commented on it. Anyone following the thread could see the redundancy...it was ludicrous.

As for the AT&T issue, obviously, you are one to sit idle by, and I am not. End of story.

Dee

permalink · 2001-03-22 20:27:59 · Print ·

Anon	you'll can get directtv too!-- or you can just dial in and watch tv while you up/down load
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:07:37 ·

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vice8686 join:2000-10-13 Lancaster, CA	araina, have you tried getting service through Covad? Give them a call and see what they say. -- DSL... sure feels good to be back.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 02:35:53 ·

AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: Crap!! Covad and Rhythms have cut back service in this area. Actually I don't think Covad ever got to this place but Rhytms no longer has any partner ISPs here.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 02:44:58 ·

Leto2

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Bowie, MD

araina: You're screwed, just as I am.

I have a CO with other CLECs, but Verizon won't let them service me with as much as IDSL. My dialup line gives me a max of 26,400 kbaud connect, so I use 64k ISDN thru Verizon (can't afford to use 128 kbaud). Maybe you should consider ISDN if you don't want to go back to dialup.

Comcast has recently put fiber cable in the ground in my area. Can't wait until it goes live.

Leto2

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AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: Crap!! I am a college student who works part-time just to pay my DSL bill. I don't think I could afford ISDN, I had a hard enough time convincing everyone why I needed DSL. I would feel, I don't know cheated maybe if I were to lose my line.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 11:29:47 ·

Chowder Anteaters Rule Premium join:2000-11-07 Dagobah clubs:	Add me to your list of homeless...I just got it installed in November too...Was nice while it lasted. Now what the heck am I supposed to do with this $400 IDSL router? -- Chowder Megapath/NP IDSL
	permalink · 2001-03-22 12:35:58 ·

Anon

For those of you who are in Manhattan, NY- you are in luck- I used to have North Point and after an outage in January, I decided to go with an ISP called Transbeam. They are currently building out their own network with all there own equipment, and are impervious (so I believe) to the Covad/NorthPoint problems. Transbeam was able to get my company (actually we share the TB line with a sister company) up and running in 3 weeks. My NP line took 6 weeks. Anyway, we have had good luck with them and although they are small, they get the job done. Only problem is that they are only in Manhattan for now. -Good Luck!

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pverzoni join:2000-06-07 New York, NY	Re: Crap!! Nope, I believe they use Northpoint and Covad (see their partner page). Peter
	permalink · 2001-03-22 14:25:41 ·

Anon

Re: Crap!!

I did not sya thay they are not partners with other providers- most ISP's that offer DSL have or had partnerships with Covad or NP- in fact I think they had both. I soley refferring to a private network they are building that they soley own. That is what I am on right now while I write this. I have a 1.5 connections with six voice telephone lines over one dsl connection. I could be wrong, but I don't think so- I did shop around.

permalink · 2001-03-22 14:34:28 ·

Anon	WOW, has anyone really considered the source of all this information? It is not VERIFIED at all. Wait until after the NPC CC call to get the real news; if any is forthcoming today. LOL
	permalink · 2001-03-22 15:40:55 ·

Anon	Re: WAIT ONE MINUTE AMEN BROTHER!! PS - I hear y'all are having a meeting in about 15 mins. [text was edited by author 2001-03-22 15:48:33]
	permalink · 2001-03-22 15:44:53 ·

AR
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NP is going down, there is no doubt of that. Now the only point that is open to debate is whether ATT (or anyone else) is going to retain the customer base, how that will fit into their business plans. What we are seeing here is a consumer reaction based on the fact that people are afraid of losing their connections. In my case, loss of broadband does affect my lifestyle. I am a college student and depend heavily on connecting to the campus machines.

permalink · 2001-03-22 16:16:43 ·

Anon	There may be an alternative availible in many locations. If you want me to chek your CO. send me your information and I will do a cross check against the NEN CO locations. I can tell you odds are I wouldn't end up being anyone here's DSL provider because we (my office) only have ability to hook up DSL to 3 of the NP co's at this time Mike Leahy SYIX.COM mike@syix.com
	permalink · 2001-03-22 20:21:44 ·

Network Guy

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Great, now I'm stuck with Telocity DSL

Umm.. Is it just me, or I'm I jinxed and could never hold on to a broadband line for any longer than 6 months? It took me almost an entire year to get someone to provide DSL for me. NorthPoint finally did the job, and here I am faced with an eminent shutdown. If that wasn't bad enough, I still have a second line via Telocity, but ahh.. Guess what?? The freaggin' line doesn't work after 5PM!! Optimum Online!!! Why won't you hurry up and roll cable Internet in the Bronx already?!?!?

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AR Premium,ExMod 2001-04 join:2000-09-21 Toronto, ON	Re: Great, now I'm stuck with Telocity DSL Isn't the Telocity line through NP too?
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:15:44 ·

Network Guy join:2000-08-25 New York	Re: Great, now I'm stuck with Telocity DSL Nah.. Here in NY, customers who sign up for service with them order a DSLAM directly from Verizon, not NorthPoint. They do this to eliminate truck roll costs since they also provision my data service via line share.
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:19:57 ·

sadowski I Am My Own Doppelganger Premium,MVM join:2000-04-14 Buffalo, NY clubs:	said by araina: Isn't the Telocity line through NP too? They just switched here to Verizon too. I still have an outstanding NP order for next week.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 12:23:13 ·

MexiCubAZ join:2000-06-09 Phoenix, AZ clubs:	This SUCSK! This totally sucks. I don't wish to use Verizon DSL here at home And Covad is not in my CO GOD DAMMIT!
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:12:40 ·

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NtwkGUY1 join:2001-02-08 Lewisville, TX	AT&T probably after ATM switches, not dslams.. I would say they are really after the CBX-500 ATM switches more than the dslams. They by far cost more than the dslams and I would say make up most of the assets...
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:30:35 ·

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dattack join:2001-02-12 Anaheim, CA	What the hell going to happen now! I just signed up with Northpoint/MSN. Should I cancel now! Please help yuck.
	permalink · 2001-03-21 22:44:22 ·

Socoj2

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Cumming, GA

hrmmmmmmmmmm

[qoute]Well regaurdless who wins the bid they are pulling out of wholesale DSL. I doubt MSN is seriously pursuing Northpoint because of their interest in Earthlink. Ill lay my money down on a Phone company.[/qoute]

Now not to point out that im right. Do you think ma Bell would just buy them to uproot their equiptment and move it somewhere else? hardly. Morelikely they will purchase them and offer new terms to the circuits that northpoint was contracted with before. I realy dont see ATT just liquidating dsl for a couple of Dozen atm switchs. thats ridiculous. Thats RIGHT a couple of Dozen. NP people just take care... ATT not going to give up on you out right.. Unless you got idsl... i bet you guys are going to get hosed.

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DSLYSR

Everyone Slammed me when I said to move to COVAD

when they offered the free modem to Northpoint customers. Even the moderators jumped on. I have said Northpoint did not have enough money to last through Feb and was ridiculed. They lasted 3 weeks longer than I thought, however everyone told me the mighty saviour Microsoft would buy them out. From a business prospective it did not make sense. How important is it now for customers to transition and how much more money will the businesses lose now with a complete shutdown for weeks?

I am sympathtic to Northpoint after Verizon suprised them with a pullout, however, I also knew they were cooked. Hopefully they will suceed with their court case.

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jseymour8 join:2000-07-29	Re: Everyone Slammed me when I said to move to COVAD when they offered the free modem to Northpoint customers. It wasn't what you said, so much as the way you were presenting it. -- Jim Seymour & Karel the Computer Cat Agents Provocateurs Extraordinaire irc://irc.dal.net/#dslreports
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DSLTech join:2000-12-30 San Jose, CA	Go to #dslreports on DALnet to discuss #dslreports on DALnet. See you there. [text was edited by author 2001-03-21 23:01:21]
	permalink · 2001-03-21 23:00:48 ·

Buggy

join:2000-10-24
Tampa, FL

Something like this may start the rebound of dsl..

Just think about it. If ATT gets what they want and screws 81000 users out of service, maybe there will finally be a fortified public outcry against these ISPS and their business practices. It takes something incredibly bad to spark a revolution and this may lead to it. All the other shutdowns have been mildly graceful and therefore users accepted them and moved on, but this is enough to spark a major and possibly revolutionary movement in the broadband arena. However, these thing don't always turn out pretty

Good luck peeps.
--
Me

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AllAlone0 join:2000-10-30 Oakville, ON clubs:	only one way to describe it.... shit has hit the fan broadband will be a mess from now on.... covad can't afford the extra installs, telco DSL isn't even broadband... and cable will be start to be overloaded... -- My Roller Coaster Tycoon page *updated 03/16/01
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Anon	Re: only one way to describe it.... Come to covad we will take care of you.
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russotto join:2000-10-05 Collegeville, PA	Re: only one way to describe it.... Unless you're more than 12k-15k away from the CO, in which case you can go suck eggs.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 11:41:13 ·

Mylar

join:2000-08-01
Imperial, MO

boom.

BOOM!
I can feel the weight of all the time and trouble I have spent on getting and maintaining DSL dropping down on my head.

I cancelled a DSL order with southwestern bell to go with a local ISP and northpoint, because of their superior routing and SDSL-static IP.
I bought into the idea of free enterprise and competition in the comunnication industry.
I was looking forward to the day when i would be able to look at telecom and see the kind of technical advancemet that the computer industry developed with the intro of the PC clone....

Now all I see is a vast wall of monopolies and megacorperate power players keeping me away from my broadband unless i agree to play the game Their way at Their prices.

BOOM!

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DrTCP Yours truly Premium,ExMod 1999-04 join:1999-11-09 Round Rock, TX	If AT&T bought NP completely... wouln't they need FCC approval? But just buying the equipment they are avoiding that process while be in a position to offer business DSL service to complement their residential cable customers (especially @Home is stepping out of @Work DSL plans).
	permalink · 2001-03-21 23:59:46 ·

carrieg2

join:2001-01-08
Cherry Hill, NJ

BLAH!!!!

First I sign up with PSN.net (with Northpoint) My line goes down in December when PSN goes bankrupt and Telocity doesn't get me connected again until Feb (I have IDSL and no access to cable) It takes one month for Telocity to get my line working... last Friday Telocity *finally* fixed my line. Now it looks like I'll lose my line thanks to the Northpoint acquisition. Very annoying since I do alot of work from home!! (I'm a web developer) Great. Just great.

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Anon	Re: BLAH!!!! If you do business from home, Network Access Solutions does own their own network with over 500 COs in the Verizon footprint. Check out the website www.nas-corp.com, then send me an e-mail if you have any questions sgraham@nas-corp.com. I'm in New York (212) 297-4119. Shawn Graham
	permalink · 2001-03-22 10:18:41 ·

Defender

join:2001-01-17
Edmond, OK

Glad I Canceled Midstream

Telocity was partnering with NP for my SDSL order. After following the Telocity and NP forums for several weeks, I wisely bowed out of the mess. The industry is far too chaotic at the moment, I'll revisit ordering DSL in six months, or so. Yes, 56K sucks, but I know my line will be live next month.

If the rumors of the AT&T purchase in its present form are true, hopefully the transition for NP users will be relatively painless. But don't count on it. Welcome to Ma Bell's brand of DSL Hell.

permalink · 2001-03-22 00:48:17 · Print ·

DSLrocker

join:2000-09-22
Phoenix, AZ

LOL! It simply doesn't hurt anymore!

(sing like a sad country tune....)

Phoenix Networks sucked me in
MegaPath spit me out
I'll never see that @#$@%#$ rebate
of that there is no doubt

Who would be the next cruel host
in my bandwidth travesty?
I hope it's someone with a clue
....Telocity?

My heart was filled with blackened fear
when I learned I was to be migrated
But things began to stabilize
And my fear had all but abated

Now, finally, I must accept
that I won't get my way
The routing isn't getting better..
and NorthPoint's on E-Bay.
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Everything that can go wrong, already has gone wrong. You just never got the memo...
[text was edited by author 2001-03-22 01:58:56]

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dnoyeB Ferrous Phallus join:2000-10-09 Southfield, MI	Re: LOL! It simply doesn't hurt anymore! I feel a tear. Not the dog and the Chevy these days its the DSL line...
	permalink · 2001-03-22 09:30:52 ·

Mylar join:2000-08-01 Imperial, MO	You have captured the stories of us all.... good song, gets my vote.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 10:25:52 ·

rockoo

@smed.net

Ain't that the truth, although I am hurting just a little bit. I was also a phoenix customer, did the megapath thing, but found a couple of weeks ago that I was not going to be migrated to Telocity. Apparently they did not have my name in their DB despite getting a letter on their letterhead notifying me when they first announced the migration plan. After a bit of searching, I decided to switch to DSLi, after a few weeks of waiting (very long for an ISP switch), it was just completed yesterday! Oh, the humanity! I supposed DSLi is still going to charge me the $100 ISP switch for what could be as little as a few days of service.

Brian

permalink · 2001-03-22 10:49:30 · Print ·

Kaj17

join:2000-11-17
Playa Del Rey, CA

Should I order Northpoint SDSL now?

I have been thinking of ordering DSLi's DSL through Northpoint. I was wondering if I can or should order now before the prices go up. I mean...does this mean all Northpoint lines are going to be abolished because ATT is going to take away NP's hardware from the CO's?
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My quote... "Perseverance is the key to achievement in life." This is from a 14 year old's view.

permalink · 2001-03-22 01:21:42 ·

DSLrocker join:2000-09-22 Phoenix, AZ	Re: Should I order Northpoint SDSL now? Are you reading this thread? NorthPoint is dead, friend. They are auctioning it off to the highest bidder. Wait for the pieces to shake out, or explore other options, lol do not sign up for Northpoint. -- Everything that can go wrong, already has gone wrong. You just never got the memo...
	permalink · 2001-03-22 01:40:06 ·

Kaj17 join:2000-11-17 Playa Del Rey, CA	Re: Should I order Northpoint SDSL now? So ATT hasn't initially won the bidding yet?....ummm...i am bewildered.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 01:43:14 ·

Kaj17 join:2000-11-17 Playa Del Rey, CA	Moving customers to Rythms.... How will those ISP's maintain their customers same packages when switching to Rythms...will the customers have to pay more to maintain SDSL?...or will they be stuck with ADSL instead...and have to pay more for same speed SDSL with NP? -- My quote... "Perseverance is the key to achievement in life." This is from a 14 year old's view.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 01:45:56 ·

cranialwiz join:2000-10-03 Wayne, PA	Whooo Hoooo Check out these prices! Ouch! »https://www.ipservices.att.com/dsl/
	permalink · 2001-03-22 02:07:06 ·

Hall
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH

·EarthLink

·AT&T Midwest

·Earthlink Cable Mo..

Re: Whooo Hoooo

I just went there and pre-qualified my address. It returned what certainly looks like are Covad packages. See for yourself:

Congratulations!

AT&T DSL Internet Service is available in your area. The following options and speeds are available:

Single User Options*

Connection Speed Price
Single-User 608/128 Kbps $49.95
Single-User 1.5 Mbps/384 kbps $79.95
Single-User 144/144 Kbps $89.95
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-= Mindspring Max via Covad 1500/384 TeleSurfer Pro =-

permalink · 2001-03-22 10:54:17 · Print ·

cranialwiz

join:2000-10-03
Wayne, PA

Re: Whooo Hoooo

I test out at 5,500 ft from my CO, no matter who's test I use. No one ever had a problem selling me the 40 buck/mo special.Here's what AT&T is offering me.

Congratulations! (ha!)

AT&T DSL Internet Service is available in your area. The following options and speeds are available:

Single User Options*

Connection Speed Price
Single-User 144/144 Kbps $89.95
Multi User Options*

Connection Speed Price
Multi-User 144/144 Kbps $139.95
Multi-User 192/192 Kbps $139.95
Multi-User 384/384 Kbps $179.95
Multi-User 768/768 Kbps $249.95
Multi-User 1.1/1.1 Mbps $329.95
Multi-User 1.5/1.5 Mbps $399.95

Software glitch or conspiracy?

After a night of rest, why did the FCC let these two relics get back into bed together? Didn't we already learn that lesson a long time ago?
Can you say RICO?

permalink · 2001-03-22 13:16:57 · Print ·

Anon	WE STILL BE OPERATIN' IN DA TAC PEEPS!!!!!!! Reading this thread is depressing, and I speak for more than one NPC tech. If any of this speculative information is true is would really NOT BE GOOD. Not only will 80K EU's be out of a circuit, but all the NPC employees MIGHT get the ax.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 03:21:53 ·

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jseymour8

join:2000-07-29

Some Thoughts On the Matter

Ok, I've had time to sleep on this "news." Assuming, for the sake of the discussion, it's true...

Oddly, the ISPs also need releases from paying cancellation penalties to NorthPoint for moving customers away (to save them).

Eh? How does this make any sense? If the buyer is going to dump the EUs anyway, how could there possibly be a cancellation fee? I'm not saying it's not true--just that it's not rational, IMO.

If they don't get the transition period, and AT&T gets what they want, ...

The implication being that AT&T is explicitly opposed to a transition period? That AT&T wants to see 80,000+DSL subscribers lose their connectivity? Or they simply do not care? Either way: not a good note on which to enter the DSL market, one would think. One would think that the most rational way for any buyer to behave, even if they don't want to run the business under the CLEC/ISP model, would be to at least run it that way long enough to give the independent ISPs and, more importantly, their customers time enough to make arrangements.

Then again: AT&T may be thinking "The more we let cleanly transition out of this network we're about to trash, the fewer we'll be able to pick up (quickly?) later."

The critical issue is that the banks who funded NorthPoint are not prepared to fund another months worth of operation just to make it easy for end users..

Can't say as I blame them.

... and AT&T is clearly disinterested in footing that bill as well.

The difference between the banks and AT&T is that AT&T sounds like they're about ready to, well, er... dump in their own nest, as it were. Like I said: doesn't strike me as an auspicious way to enter a market.

I must admit some surprise at this "news." AT&T struck me all along as an unlikely suitor for NP--either its plant or its subscriber base. However, it had not occurred to me that AT&T might do what this "news" implies to me they might be doing: going head-to-head with the ILECs in "T1 space" at much cheaper rates. (Particularly since they're getting the infrastructure hardware at fire sale prices, no doubt.)

Unlikely to get my business, tho. I'm not particularly fond of AT&T. Used to like them. Then again: I used to like Ameritech back when it was Michigan Bell Telephone Company, too. If this is the way AT&T's going to enter the market: even less likely they'll get my business. Yeah, "business is business." But I've never been overly fond of vultures.

In the end, for me, it's just a data circuit. I can get it replaced, sooner-or-later. On reflection: the people for whom I'm most concerned are the employees of NPNT and, especially, the owners and employees of the independent ISPs, and the investors in those ISPs. Even if these ISPs get some sort of reprieve, this is going to be real tough on them. I think some may not survive even in in the best of scenarios. IMO, the market would (will?) be the worse for that

.

[text was edited by author 2001-03-22 08:10:05]

permalink · 2001-03-22 08:05:30 · Print ·

ibsdave

join:2000-02-18
Herndon, VA

Re: Some Thoughts On the Matter

I agree, a lot of ISPs will not be able to recover from this.
Few (if any) Northpoint employees will have jobs if this is indeed a selected asset sale.
The cancellation penalty thing is a joke. (A bad one) Any ISP that has paid Northpoint a dime within the last 30 days has got to be kicking themselves. They have no chance to collect any past due amounts from their soon to be turned-off Northpoint customers, yet they will still owe Northpoint for those month(s) of past service.

"To have had DSL and lost it is better than to have never had it at all" -by John 2001

permalink · 2001-03-22 09:18:59 · Print ·

Disgusted

@splitrock.net

Pray To God That Rhythms Does Not Buy Them

Just pray to god that Rhythms does not buy them or you the customer will have to put up with bold faced lying and consumer credit card fraud from Rhythms. Rhythms was a CLEC to Telocity and we all know how Telocity deals with their customers. Northpoint, Telocity, and Rhythms are part of the "good-ol-girl" network. Hopefully the judge won't be snowed by the avalanche of lies that Rhythms spew.

permalink · 2001-03-22 10:57:10 ·

DSLNetworker join:2001-03-21 Littleton, CO	Re: Pray To God That Rhythms Does Not Buy Them Sounds like "Disgusted" here, has a few personal issues to resolve. I'm sorry, but someone who has this much hatred toward one company, needs to get over it and move on in life. The stress is not worth it.
	permalink · 2001-03-22 15:28:29 ·

Jon Geb Wal-Mart Sucks join:2001-01-09 Howell, MI	Re: Pray To God That Rhythms Does Not Buy Them I know he's a loser
	permalink · 2001-03-22 16:28:53 ·

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Great, now I'm stuck with Telocity DSL

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This SUCSK!

AT&T probably after ATM switches, not dslams..

What the hell going to happen now!

hrmmmmmmmmmm

Everyone Slammed me when I said to move to COVAD

Re: Everyone Slammed me when I said to move to COVAD

Go to #dslreports on DALnet to discuss

Something like this may start the rebound of dsl..

only one way to describe it....

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boom.

If AT&T bought NP completely...

BLAH!!!!

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Glad I Canceled Midstream

LOL! It simply doesn't hurt anymore!

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Should I order Northpoint SDSL now?

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Re: Should I order Northpoint SDSL now?

Moving customers to Rythms....

Whooo Hoooo

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WE STILL BE OPERATIN' IN DA TAC PEEPS!!!!!!!

Some Thoughts On the Matter

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Pray To God That Rhythms Does Not Buy Them

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