tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·T-Mobile US
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Things are good as they are!
Competition is great as it is here in KC! Prices remain pretty low with RR and my comcast friends are loving their service. Dont know about DSL tho. If they deregulate they'll most likely just raise prices, not service.
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UMKC:15051/20689 kbps RoadRunner:2092/369 kbps |
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BBC4544
join:2002-03-12
Saint Peters, MO | Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
this is going to be great for MO |
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David
No,there is another.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-05-30
Granite City, IL
clubs:
 ·DIRECTV
 ·magicjack.com
 ·AT&T Midwest
| From this side of the state
Things could change, personally I would loath to see the cable company regulated. Not speaking from an SBC standpoint but, if that smelly guy comes up one more time to my door attempting to sell me cable...
I am tempted to spray him down with bleach water till I kill the smell..
Sorry folks, if you don't as least shower at least, that is just nasty in my book..
I'm sorry 
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11/02/01- The day I went into surgery. 1:45 P.M. the day I will never forget, life changed, forever. Today 11-2-02, Current weight 346.3, Total loss: 237.7, 18 inches less on my waist, noticing that I am 1/2 size? I wouldn't give this up for the world |
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hysteria1
join:2002-11-29
Saint Louis, MO
|  bad idea!
This is a bad isea. Everything should have some sort of regulation or it gets out of control. It is hard enough to get a fair shake from these corporations with the regulation in place. How will it turn out for an average consumer like me if these giant corporations are deregulated and can in essence do what they want? Anybody remember what happened out west when the power utilities were deregulated? Prices sky rocketed and the average consumer experienced a 200% increase in their monthly bills! Not to mention, where will a consumer turn if he is getting jacked around and all othet pursued avenues turn up nothing?
Bad idea! Bad idea!
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Just because you think they're out to get you doesn't mean they're not! |
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STLCompGuy
join:2003-01-11
Chesterfield, MO |  It would be GREAT for St. Louis
as of right now...only Charter Communications is the cable company in St. Louis. Hopefully we will have a choice in cable and broadband cable if more companies move into St. Louis |
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Carbon Unit
Premium,MVM
join:2001-07-21
Saint Charles, MO | Missouri
Maybe we can get some fiber in this state, maybe in this decade |
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
Premium
join:2002-02-07
Englewood, CO
| The deregulation debacle - oops, debate..
Sometimes ya jus’ gotta stir things up.  So here are a couple of links for strongly-worded (and admittedly one-sided) discussions regarding deregulation:
»www.techcentralstation.com/1051/···-021902D
“The decline in the number of CLECs since the fall of 2000 until recent months led to a stark increase in residential rates for broadband services - from $39.40 in January of 2001 to $51.67 by year's end. And lawmakers and regulators need not even go there. They can simply look at the record of $1.8 billion fines and penalties since 1996 that the Bells have been assessed by regulators for failing to meet their legal obligations - obligations they oftentimes initially agreed to and even helped promote. And (deregulation) won't come as any advantage to rural America, as the Bells are telling members of Congress it will. The Bells have gotten rid of 20 to 30 million rural access lines. They have no intention to go back there without some additional heavy subsidies.”
»www.netaction.org/broadband/bells/
“If the Regional Bell Operating Companies (RBOCs) had delivered on the promises they made in the early 1990s, almost half of America's households and the vast majority of the nation's schools would already be wired with high-speed fiber optic networks. If the Bells had delivered on what they promised, low-income urban neighborhoods and rural communities would have been wired by now, and the digital divide might have been avoided. …There is a significant flaw in the incentive regulation plans adopted by various states. When a monopolist is deregulated before competition takes hold, the result is an unregulated monopoly.”
Yes, Chicken Little, methinks the sky is falling…
Rep. Chris Cannon, R-Utah: "You can't underestimate the amount of knowledge most members of Congress have about this issue." - - Now that's comforting, huh? |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
| reply to hysteria1
Re: bad idea!
said by hysteria1  :
This is a bad isea. Everything should have some sort of regulation or it gets out of control.
Why should it? So that companies can wait for years for approval from the feds or state authorities for something which can be done in a few weeks?
I hate communism socialism regulation. Regulation is wasting tax money, and when the government wants more to waste, they raise taxes. |
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hysteria1
join:2002-11-29
Saint Louis, MO
| "Why should it? So that companies can wait for years for approval from the feds or state authorities for something which can be done in a few weeks?"
If need be, yes. Anyway, nothing gets done in a few weeks, not on the scale that we are talking about.
"I hate communism socialism regulation. Regulation is wasting tax money, and when the government wants more to waste, they raise taxes."
Nothing is 100% efficient, but this regulation was put in place for the benefit of the consumer in mind, which brings me back to my original point, who will be there for the consumer when all else fails? I agree taxes and regulation are not perfect, but nothing runs for free. It is called capitalism, one of the foundations of this great country. You use terms like communism and socialism sparingly like you know what life is like in an eastern block country! Please!
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Just because you think they're out to get you doesn't mean they're not! |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
| reply to bistro777
Re: The deregulation debacle - oops, debate..
While I am on the side of the CLECs, These communities are primarily unserved...
They don't care about competition with CLECs, many of them simply want service, and aren't moved by the arguments of critics, much of which center around the competition of tomorrow. |
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Tom Zachman
join:2002-12-01
Dodge City, KS
| reply to bistro777
quote:
Under the second scenario, the telephone companies would exercise their remaining competence—their ability to manipulate the various agencies of government to their own advantage—to make it illegal (or prohibitively difficult) to make progress in end-to-end internetworking. Under this second scenario, the Internet would be transformed into a centrally controlled telephone-company-like (and TV-network-like) network for use by approved applications only. In nations that fall victim to this second scenario, those sectors of the economy that depend on progress in communications would devolve to third-world status, while nations that support end-to-end networks race ahead.
David Isenberg "The End of the Middle"
»www.spectrum.ieee.org/WEBONLY/pu···ude.html
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"These are complex issues. If you are not mentally up for it, there is a simple proxy that will work just as well as a firm grasp of the technical and business issues: "Figure out what the Baby Bells want (they will tell you) and then try to stop them." |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
00000
clubs:
| reply to STLCompGuy
Re: It would be GREAT for St. Louis
a choice would be great. anything but charter please.
[text was edited by author 2003-02-05 15:14:15] |
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lazarus_
join:2002-08-31
Resolute, NU
| reply to Eat Me
Re: bad idea!
said by Eat Me :
said by hysteria1 :
This is a bad isea. Everything should have some sort of regulation or it gets out of control.
Why should it? So that companies can wait for years for approval from the feds or state authorities for something which can be done in a few weeks?
I hate communism socialism regulation. Regulation is wasting tax money, and when the government wants more to waste, they raise taxes.
From what you just posted I gather your probably a very stupid person. I have no clue why the hell you even posted.. Read the guys COMPLETE POST you illiterate moron or maybe you have ADD and cant handle reading posts more than 2 sentences long... And where the hell did you get communism from you stupid f@g?? Stuff is regulated so that huge companies are forced to follow rules and guidelines to protect the little guys (small companies and customers)
Go back to school you stupid hick, and if you are in school your a complete moron and should kill yourself.
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moby866
Premium
join:2000-10-07
Above you | I just want a 10/10 connection
If I can get a super fast connection in my home, I do not care if some small company gets crushed |
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gecko901
join:2000-08-12
Saint Louis, MO | reply to Carbon Unit
Re: Missouri
There is a lot of fiber all over St. Louis county but it is all dark for the most part. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | reply to moby866
Re: I just want a 10/10 connection
how much would you pay once they get rid of the competition? is price no option? is the greeny green overflowing from your pockets? |
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| reply to moby866
You will when you pay $100 a month for regular DSL. That's the bottomline, in many markets there isn't any effective competition because cable isn't offered or vice versa. So when the telcos say cable is their competition they aren't being accurate. |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs:
| House Bill 142 and Senate Bill 221 would prohibit the Missouri Public Service Commission from regulating high-speed Internet or broadband services. They also would guarantee that state regulations do not exceed rules set by the Federal Communications Commission.
Of course SBC wants this. It removes the authority from state PUCs, who they have a harder time with than federal regulators (politicians on the Hill, Powell at the FCC), and when Powell redesignates DSL as an "information service", then the state PUCs wouldn't have a foot to stand on it terms of fighting that reclassification.
Also, if the RBOCs see their way in all of the regulatory rewrites of Telecom laws, and revocation of provisions under TA1996, sec.271, then again, the states would have their hands tied.
This is all part of a bigger strategy for the RBOCs, which is to sway regulations to their "way of thinking", and to eliminate the others that they despise, specifically UNE provisions of section 271.
This will not spur investment or broadband deployment in my view.
Many telecom analysts that are independent analysts see things this way also.
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The rich get richer, the poorer get the picture, the bombs never hit you when yer down so low...some got pollution, others evolution, there must be some solution but I just don't know.... |
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BrianDamage
We Are The Hounds From Hell
Premium
join:2001-08-14
Rowlett, TX
clubs: | reply to BBC4544
Re: Yeeeeaaaaaahhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For MO? Or for SBC?
Pump, pump, pump up your employer some more. |
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
Premium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to lazarus_
Re: bad idea!
[begin sarcasm]A well reasoned post lazarus. Obviously you are well informed on the subject; And I can tell because of your informed use of the terms "stupid hick" and "f--". Everybody knows that use of such words indicate intelligence.[end sarcasm]
De-regulation done properly results in fairer prices, more competition, and quicker adoption of newer viable technologies.
Personally what I think needs to happen is that local government's need to lay their own fiber and then let other companies (unregulated) offer services over that fiber.
You do know that de-regulation doesn't mean that companies are free to do what ever they want;right. they still have to operate within the law.
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