Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA
|  They had it...and sold it...
Wait a minute. Am I missing something? Didn't they just sell off the unit that HAD EVERYONE WIRED, or at least a few zillion...the unit that made them HUGE money (so sayith their annual reports, profits in the billions from their broadband unit). If they wanted a chunk of the local service pie all they had to do was finish the telephony rollout and acquire more franchises. They're looking for a capital efficient way...there's nothing more efficient than being wired to end users and making a HUGE profit doing it.
Now, they're 3 months into this thing and looking for ways to get back service to end users? Genius.
WTF...where did these guys get their degrees? Cracker Jacks?
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Mike
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| Another Northpoint
AT&T bought Northpoint and turned it into the ground face first. They illegally kicked off 'a few' thousands subscribers overnight and got away with it.
I'm glad it turned sour for them.
There is always at least one idiot out there... that columnist is it.
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| If this is doable, WHERE IS THE HELL IS IT????
Why are there ZERO, ZILCH, NADA, ABSOLUTELY NO WISPs in most metropolitan area(the bay area does not count)? We aren't dealing with a few areas not covered. We are dealing with NO AREAS COVERED. Why is there so much speculation of wireless broadband, but ABSOLUTELY NO ACION AT ALL?? The only wireless access for most people is to use their 3G cell phone and violate the TOS. As to that, I say extreme situations require extreme measures. If broadband is not available to you, you should legally be allowed to use any and all means necessary legal or illegal to get it. If the infrastructure providers don't like, start deploying and stop complaining. |
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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join:2002-09-24
Huntington Beach, CA
| Someone is desperate  In our town we have 4 WISP's and Comcast. Of course the ILEC is sitting on it's ass as usual. It's a bad business plan to rely on other businesses...especially those who end up being yer competitor.
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | California doesn't count. That's not the real world. The fact that people in your area were convinced completely that Webvan had a good business model is all the evidence I need to prove that California is not the real world. |
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Go Chargers7
Fa Shizzle Ma Nizzle
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Huntington Beach, CA | LOL...
We need to export our WISPs and our Politicians...a little good with the bad.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to Go Chargers7
Re: They had it...and sold it...
A brief look into the near future:
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To: AT&T investors
From: AT&T
Re: recent AT&T broadband spinoff
Dear investor;
Oops.
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Now I just wonder if the bigwigs at AT&T realize what they've done yet or not.
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cmaenginsb
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join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| reply to Mike
Re: Another Northpoint
AT&T never had any rights to the Northpoint subscribers, nor did they actually buy Northpoint. The bankruptcy court auctioned off the assets piecemeal. AT&T ended up with the DSLAMs and other equipment but not the right to continue to service on the lines.
Do you really think they would have turned off the subs if it wasn't out of their control, I mean come on that's like free money. |
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone | thats sad
even a large dsl provider like covad that resells to other companies can be tossed around bought and sold easily by monsters like at&t. id like somebody to toss around at&t for once. btw, wheres my northpoint dsl? (i kinda liked it) |
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pnh102
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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Re: Another Northpoint
said by cmaenginsb  :
The bankruptcy court auctioned off the assets piecemeal. AT&T ended up with the DSLAMs and other equipment but not the right to continue to service on the lines.
That's still very stupid of AT&T... how long would it have taken for them to check to see if they could legally run service on the lines they got from Northpoint? Surely it would have involved less cost than buying the assets and finding out they got a bunch of expensive paperweights instead.
AT&T really needs to take an "Al Dunlap" approach to saving its skin... kill all the non-profitable divisions... or else.
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Mike
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Re: thats sad
sitting in a warehouse just like the red cross 9/11 refund donations |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
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Re: If this is doable, WHERE IS THE HELL IS IT????
said by 2farfromCO7 :
We are dealing with NO AREAS COVERED. Why is there so much speculation of wireless broadband, but ABSOLUTELY NO ACION AT ALL??
Why not take a bunch of your friends who are pissed off about this, pool your funds (or get some business loans), get a fractional T1 and some WAPs and set that up for subscribers to buy into?
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Tomek
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join:2002-01-30
Brooklyn, NY
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| FCC
Recent problems are all caused by FCC. CoVaD may need stronger capital to compete with local phone companies when serving DSL.
As I believe, AT&T currently offers DSL via CoVaD. Buying CoVaD would save costs. (AT&T promises to keep 39/mo rate for a year)
That FCC ruling has to be appealed. That creates monopolistic situation in DSL industry. |
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clecrupt9
join:2002-01-22
GA | Smoke and Mirrors
Something just isnt right. T sells off cable to Comcast then wants to buy Covad? After this latest ruling?
I say they wanna merge with a telco. |
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kmoss
join:2002-09-14
Lisle, IL
| At&t buy Covad?
So, Covad is going to be both SBC and NOW At&t's bitch? I don't think so... leave it someone named "Bambi" to conceptualize such a stupid proposition. I have an executive level contact at the old ATT broadband (now Comcast). He told me that ATT screwed around with wireless broadband years ago and decided against deployment at the time. My guess, they're waiting for the price to catch up with technology for wide-scale deployment of wireless broadband+Voip (and if the bandwidth is there, VOD). Then, all they do is throw up the broadcast points on existing cell towers. It's plug and play technology, doesn't involve upgrading Coax neighborhood networks, and deployable everywhere. Just my 2 cents. |
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airhockey
Got Airhockey?
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join:2001-03-01
San Jose, CA | reply to pnh102
Re: Another Northpoint
The problem is ATT has only non profitable divisions left. They sold the only one that has been making them money ATT Broadband. |
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Mr_Hanky00
join:2003-02-25
Riverton, NJ | reply to Tomek
Re: FCC
I agree |
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Jim Gurd
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Plymouth, MI
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| reply to pnh102
Re: Another Northpoint
said by pnh102 :
AT&T really needs to take an "Al Dunlap" approach to saving its skin... kill all the non-profitable divisions... or else.
I don't know about that. "Chainsaw Al" destroyed Sunbeam with shady accounting practices like stuffing the pipline with inventory and booking sales months in advance of actually delivering the merchandise. |
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KrK
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Tulsa, OK
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| Somebody should buy Covad....
...That way monopolies and the FCC would have to stop pretending there is still competition and admit there are no more CLEC's in data services, other then a few small bit players who will probably be dead after the FCC's latest ruling anyway.
Once people realize that no, this isn't a 'Free Market' and that competition DOESN'T exist, maybe they'll start looking at reigning in the Big Bullies who are wrecking America's broadband future.
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DSLTech
join:2000-12-30
San Jose, CA | ATT DOES use the old NP infrastructure..
Currently ramping up hiring down in Emeryville, CA for the same positions that handled background setup and troubleshooting of new/faulty DSL circuits (and virtual circuits).
Something is going to come of it yet, its just a matter of time. |
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