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Comments on news posted 2003-04-02 16:59:22: Comcast's recent ad campaign, which was designed to win over the confidence of recently acquired AT&T Broadband customers, uses 4 time Tour De France winner Lance Armstrong as an icon, while informing the viewer that "You can't just tell people you'r.. ..
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 | | Comcast, Good.... NEVER! Like people actually believed those commericals. All comcast is about is taking in as much money as they can and pissing off customers.
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| | | MAWipf
join:2000-05-02
Denver, CO | Re: Comcast, Good.... NEVER! Comcast is stating that local telephone is not on its top list of priorities....at least not in its current form. In Philly, they are testing VoIP, and that is probably how they will go in the future.... | |
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| | | Alrighty,
There's lots of smoke in the air and lots of front page news articles. BUT..Thus far the FTC,FCC and the justice department have failed to respond. Gee,They've probably
already been bought off! After all,They're all 'Republicans'. There's only one way to fight back! With the almighty dollar that comcast investors love so much! | |
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 mig288Premium
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Merchantville, NJ |  Proving Commitment!
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Glendale, AZ |  Commitment or committed
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| | |  anony23
join:2001-07-20
Haymarket, VA | Re: Not a chance in hell said by Logan 5:
The ONLY thing that Comcast is proving it's commitment to is the almighty dollar.
For Comcast to; " raise broadband rates 33% for users who don't subscribe to their television services ", smells like unfair business practices, but being the only game in town for cable service in MANY areas, they have the arrogant attitude that they can do as they please.
So far, no one has stood up to them and said; "No, you CAN'T do what you please, there are laws in this country and you have to follow them".
Until that happens, there is nothing stopping Comcast from becoming an already BIGGER monopoly then they already are....
you hit that dead center .... for a lot of places it's either comcast or dial up ... no other choices | |
| | |  lxAstrosxlPremium
join:2000-10-13
Carol Stream, IL
kudos:1 | Re: Not a chance in hell ANARCHY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! OFF WITH THERE HEADS!!!! there's like 25 million of us and like few thousand of them.....we can take em!!!!!!!!! | |
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 ·Bright House
| Well, to respond to your statement, the 33% increase, well, even with at&t you would be able to get basic 1 service even if you didn't want cable tv, over that same line the internet comes in on, well, you now have a choice, you can get the internet with basic 1, and save money, or pay more and get just the internet. Honestly, I agree to a certain point, but then again, I can see why you would have to pay extra. Just be glad their internet is not like 90% of the other ones out there, where you need a contract, unless it is dial-up. I know it is enough to piss anyone off, but think of it this way, I know ATTBI sucked, badly, at least the cablemodem service comcast has is much more reliable. It is off the same server, but the network as a whole is better, I noticed a change in latency and hops, so it is obvious some routing has changed. All I can say is if you have a dish, or you just flat out don't want cable tv, then thats your choice, but even still, if you have a dish, just get locals thru the cable company, and you will not pay that large increase, not to mention, you will get your locals even in the rain. As far as comcast being different then ATT, they must be, because I know now I can reach someone on the phone, IN JACKSONVILLE with me, not in some distant call center, not to mention, they actually make the appointments I set now. I have been able to get my cable fixed like it should have been fixed finally because of the change over to a different company. Evidentally, when it was broadband, the main office in denver did not have all the info for my house, so they could not find the problem before. I do know it is regionally ran now, so that is a plus. I guess all I am really trying to say is a change will not occur overnight in a situation like this, and in the process of changing, I can understand certain things not being done, but hey, if the price increase don't fly in opinion, then explore other alternatives, because I am sure the last thing any company wants to do, believe it or not, is piss off their customers, and if you are unhappy, and calling them doesn't fix it, then going elsewhere will show you are unhappy for now. Just be careful, because all the other services out there require contracts. Good luck. I am done. | |
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 airhockeyGot Airhockey?Premium
join:2001-03-01
San Jose, CA | even more price hikes not to mention I was informed my $10 a month in discounts for bundled services as an ATTBI customer is going to be dropped as well. | |
| |  DHRacerFire Survivor
join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA | Re: even more price hikes $10 a month discount for bundled services???
wazzat?
Comcast has not heard of that business practice before. | |
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| | | Only one thing to do really... Anybody with any viable alternative whatsoever should simply drop Comcast. I sure know I would, but I can't get DSL here and Comcast has a cable monopoly here.
I'm on the ragged edge of going back to dial access.
The problem here is simple: no competition. | |
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| Re: Only one thing to do really... I agree but if DSL is simply MIA then the Iraqi minded comcast is unfortunately all ya got. Oh yeah then theres dial up...but....nah!
Sorry for the war references.
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| | | | I agree but if DSL is simply MIA then the Iraqi minded comcast is unfortunately all ya got. Oh yeah then theres dial up...but....nah!
Sorry for the war references.
Also, F**k ComCrap. | |
| | | | said by dilettante:
Anybody with any viable alternative whatsoever should simply drop Comcast.
I used to have Comcast, and the same day a viable alternative (Wide Open West) became available in my city, I dropped them like a hot potato. I actually went without cable Internet for a weekend, until I got WOW installed. Dial-up had never been so good. | |
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| | vic102482Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
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| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by Nightfall:
OR find new service.
THATS the problem. I am going dish, fuck comcast, but I cant get DSL so tell me what do I do???????
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| | | |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | said by Nightfall:
said by vic102482:
THATS the problem. I am going dish, fuck comcast, but I cant get DSL so tell me what do I do???????
Simple
Pay or go to dialup. Have a nice day.
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I want a Bentley, but those cost between $200000 and $500000 and I don't want to pay that! The government should step in and force Bentley to sell their cars at $20000 just like Honda does!
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| | MAWipf
join:2000-05-02
Denver, CO | asta la vista....you think dish is better????? LOL LOL LOL....have a nice trip and I am sure you will be back to cable....that is once your 1 YEAR CONTRACT IS OVER | |
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·Bright House
| You would suffer, if Comcast is your only option, then I would say that they did you a courtesy by bringing the internet to your area, because obviously you live in a part of town, or maybe even a state, where the telco thinks you are too far out to be worth anything. I would suggest you call Comcast and get whatever issues you are having resolved, request a Zone Coordinator be assigned to your escalated ticket so you can get whatever issue you have fixed. Essentially, the service should not have issues very often at all. Now if you are looking at network slow-downs, then check with others in your area, and compare. Price, as far as that goes, you are paying around the same amount as anyone else on any other service ($45 is average for broadband). I think it is amazing that everyone in this forum is negative, yet I have seen a change, this is amazing. How long has Comcast been in your area, because they were in mine for 5 months before anything started changing. | |
| | | | | | Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture this is about Comcast taking over ATT Broadband and jacking up the price to over $52 a month. I'm supposed to be happy that they came along and offered me a service? the service was implemented by ATT, not Comcast.
keep holding on to that illusion of free market increasing competition resulting in lower prices for consumers. | |
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| Ted_C
join:2002-01-20
Joliet, IL | Nightfall...hey thanks for the great picture. I wish your logic was as good.
McDonald's has competition...Comcast does not. How many times do you need to hear THAT before it sinks in?
People don't bitch about Comcast in here for their health. You sound like many of the Comcast stockholders (or extreme loyalists) that hang out here and make excuses for the high prices and crappy service that many of us are FORCED to accept because there is no alternative.
If I can get 1/2 of the quality from Comcast some of you guys must be getting to "sing their praises" the way you do, I'd be very happy.
I have not seen it yet, and I'm paying an increased price for it. | |
| | |  NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
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| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by Ted_C:
Nightfall...hey thanks for the great picture. I wish your logic was as good.
McDonald's has competition...Comcast does not. How many times do you need to hear THAT before it sinks in?
So having competition means that bundled services and price breaks for multiple services go hand in hand? I think not. You are right to a certain extent, Comcast owns the cable systems in most areas it is in. However, the same also goes for local phone service in most areas. Yet, bundled services are there and price breaks if you get local service AND DSL. I guess it would be nice to have 10-15 choices, but that isn't the way it works out.
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People don't bitch about Comcast in here for their health. You sound like many of the Comcast stockholders (or extreme loyalists) that hang out here and make excuses for the high prices and crappy service that many of us are FORCED to accept because there is no alternative.
People in here are bitching about Comcast because of the rate increase if you just get one service. Sorry, but that is pretty dumb in my book. As I said, bundled services exist all over the place. If you just want cable modem service, then PAY FOR IT. No one has a gun to your head. The problem here is that the consumers with dish network or directv want to have their cake and eat it to. That isn't going to happen and therefore they are upset.
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If I can get 1/2 of the quality from Comcast some of you guys must be getting to "sing their praises" the way you do, I'd be very happy.
I have not seen it yet, and I'm paying an increased price for it.
I am getting excellent quality from Comcast. I know of many people getting good bang for the buck from them as well. Your logic makes no sense. If you aren't happy with the service, then get rid of it. I would need to be very satisfied with a product to keep paying $45 a month for it.
Sorry we don't see eye to eye on this issue. I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
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| | | | vic102482Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by Nightfall:
So having competition means that bundled services and price breaks for multiple services go hand in hand? I think not. You are right to a certain extent, Comcast owns the cable systems in most areas it is in. However, the same also goes for local phone service in most areas. Yet, bundled services are there and price breaks if you get local service AND DSL. I guess it would be nice to have 10-15 choices, but that isn't the way it works out.
I really do wish your logic were as good as the pic. Take a second to think of the articles that DSLR puts out, and youll see why your comparison of cable to DSL makes no sense. Look in your local yellow pages.
Comcast is the only CABLE provider in alot of places.
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| | | | | | | | | | | vic102482Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by Nightfall:
Not one person has shown me a case where bundled services are illegal.
THATS why you cant understand what I am saying. Tell me, who anywhere in this entire thread says anything about it being illegal?? I sure didnt.
Its unethical and immoral, but who said anything about it being illegal. That could be part of the reason why no one has shown you, you are looking for something that isnt there. It will eventually be concidered illegal, but comcast has every legal right to do this.......until the FTC steps in. This is the VERY act that will bring regualtion to cable. Comcast has shot themselves in the foot bigtime. I WISH there were MORE price increases lol then we could get even the regular cable tv users into it.
But remember during the merger Comcast promised fair service and pricing for approval. They just took a dump on the FTC and they wont like that.
All I needed to read is that everyone was upset. You can be a Comcast supporter all you want, but this will change, the ball is already rolling.
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| | | | | | | NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI Reviews:
·Site5.com
·Comcast
·Callcentric
| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by vic102482:
said by Nightfall:
Not one person has shown me a case where bundled services are illegal.
THATS why you cant understand what I am saying. Tell me, who anywhere in this entire thread says anything about it being illegal?? I sure didnt.
Its unethical and immoral, but who said anything about it being illegal. That could be part of the reason why no one has shown you, you are looking for something that isnt there. It will eventually be concidered illegal, but comcast has every legal right to do this.......until the FTC steps in. This is the VERY act that will bring regualtion to cable. Comcast has shot themselves in the foot bigtime. I WISH there were MORE price increases lol then we could get even the regular cable tv users into it.
But remember during the merger Comcast promised fair service and pricing for approval. They just took a dump on the FTC and they wont like that.
All I needed to read is that everyone was upset. You can be a Comcast supporter all you want, but this will change, the ball is already rolling.
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Ok, last reply in this thread due to increased trolling. Not by you in specific, but others here. Not that I can't handle it, but it is pointless to argue it here. A old addage comes to mind. "If you argue on the internet and win, you are still retarded." A lot of people here need to have the last word in things, and I will let them have it willingly. 
You are right, YOU didn't say it was illegal. There are others saying that, but you did not. Therefore, I apologize for that.
Unethical and Immoral? Here we go. How are bundled services either of those things? Especially when everyone from fast food restaurants, phone companies, to insurance companies offer price breaks for multiple products purchased. Ok, they are the only choice in certain areas, but how is that unethical? That is something not one person here has talked about.
Will the FTC step in? That is not my decision and if they do, great. I have no problem with that. Some Comcast supporter eh?
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by Nightfall:
Ok, last reply in this thread due to increased trolling
The title , picture & useless logic of this thread (started by you) is a troll in itself, If you don't like people discussing news & views many feel relevant, stay out of the topic.
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| | |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK
 ·AT&T DSL Service
| I hope your Electric Company decides to increase your Electricity rates 400% and announce it's because you refused to lease new Merceedes Benz's from them, and claim it's really a 400% BUNDLED DISCOUNT that you just *refused* to comply with.
RAISING PRICES is not giving a discount. It's a PENALTY.
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| well, i would have to disagree with the dead horse peep :P
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| | | | OldPissy
join:2002-06-10
Citrus Heights, CA | Nightfall...hey thanks for the great picture. I wish your logic was as good.
Nightfall does have a right to post his or her opinion no matter how ignorant it makes him or her sound. I've read past posts from this person just to see if the ignorance is as consistent or if it was just me unfairly thinking this person may be good paper weight.  | |
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join:2002-11-13
Beaverton, OR | said by Nightfall:
I am getting excellent quality from Comcast. I know of many people getting good bang for the buck from them as well. Your logic makes no sense. If you aren't happy with the service, then get rid of it. I would need to be very satisfied with a product to keep paying $45 a month for it.
I'm getting good quality service too (I'm talking about how my internet connection and cable tv perform, not what I get from the worker drones) but the prices *ARE* getting a little hard to swallow. Sure, satellite internet is available, but by comparison, sucks the big one... that does not mean that cable internet prices are not getting high. They are. They are just still the best option right now.
So I basically agree with what you are saying, but there does come a point where it starts hurting and you wonder how much more they are going to squeeze out of you. Kind of like when you live in a state with a high income tax rate and they mis-spend the money and then come after you for more. And throw a tantrum and immediately cut services across the board when you decide they aren't the best stewards of the money you worked hard for. And then later quietly reverse some of the cutbacks when they see no one trusts them any more than they did before.
Pretty soon you run out of money to throw at others and wish you could enjoy TV and internet for under $100/mo. Then you realize they are the same as your local politicians and that they aren't there to give you value for the dollar so much as to squeeze till it hurts.
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I guess we will just have to agree to disagree.
I love this meaningless expression. People at work use it all the time. The person saying it feels good that they have a "peaceful" compromise to the disagreement without solving anything, while the other person, who really wants to bi*ch slap whoever they are disagreeing with upside the head, loses by default because if you disagree, it's inherit that you must be agreeing on some level to disagree. I can disagree and shake my head and think the person I'm disagreeing with is a total jackass if I want. I don't have to agree to anything, and if I'm already disagreeing, why change the trend?
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| | | | | | I'm over 18,000 ft. from the CO, so Covad/Earthlink/etc. DSL is out... Comcast is the only game in town, and they decided to change the rules midstream. Go ahead and "bundle" all you want, but do it with NEW customers, not the ones you already have!!! My God, this is so obvious, it is pathetic. These marketing droids must have gone to the same business schools as the dopes at the RIAA did. What a bunch of idiots.
Again, if there was ANY competition, I'd be the first one to sign up with them. Satellite?!? That's not a valid comparison; much higher equipment costs, MUCH slower speeds (~400kb/s), and horrendous ping times. I guess it's time to go back to *cringe* dial-up! Oh, the horrors... -Bob
P.S. I just got off the phone with a staff reporter from Associated Press, who found my name in a story a local TV station did a couple of months back, about this price gouging. They will be sending out a story about this on the "wire" within the next day or two, and if I see it, I'll post it on the board somewhere. | |
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| wtansillNcc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA | I love that picture too. Reminds me of the old saying "The floggings will continue until morale improves!" Trouble is, the folks who say things like that truly appear to believe it, as you appear to believe that being raped by Comcast is just fine. Comcast appears to have a business philosophy of "Carpe Scrotum"...
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| KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| You know what's been beaten to death? You posting your "Beating a Dead Horse" in every thread you can.
I'm sorry you don't like it, but this is NEWS and yes, price gouging, monopolizing, unfair competition, etc are *old* issues but UNFORTUNATELY FOR US they continue to happen over and over again and so must be opposed, attacked, and lashed out against at every turn and at every opportunity possible.
Fight the Facism.
This "beating a Dead Horse" thing seems more like an attempt to quash discussion of a very valid topic.
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| | | vic102482Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture said by KrK:
You know what's been beaten to death? You posting your "Beating a Dead Horse" in every thread you can.
I'm sorry you don't like it, but this is NEWS and yes, price gouging, monopolizing, unfair competition, etc are *old* issues but UNFORTUNATELY FOR US they continue to happen over and over again and so must be opposed, attacked, and lashed out against at every turn and at every opportunity possible.
Fight the Facism.
This "beating a Dead Horse" thing seems more like an attempt to quash discussion of a very valid topic.
Bravo!!!
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| | | NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI Reviews:
·Site5.com
·Comcast
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| said by KrK:
You know what's been beaten to death? You posting your "Beating a Dead Horse" in every thread you can.
I'm sorry you don't like it, but this is NEWS and yes, price gouging, monopolizing, unfair competition, etc are *old* issues but UNFORTUNATELY FOR US they continue to happen over and over again and so must be opposed, attacked, and lashed out against at every turn and at every opportunity possible.
Fight the Facism.
This "beating a Dead Horse" thing seems more like an attempt to quash discussion of a very valid topic.
The "beating of a dead horse" thing means this has already been talked about a billion times here. It has nothing to do with quashing a topic. If you want to read more about this topic, a simple search will unveal all the discussion so far.
Price Gouging? Monopolization? Unfair Competition? What do they have to do with bundled services? Do you walk into a McDonalds and claim they are ripping you off because you can't get the Big Mac for the same price as in the Big Mac meal deal? I could give more examples, but it isn't worth the time.
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| | | | | | Re: I love this "beating a dead horse" picture Here's the problem with your McDonald's analogy: With the McDonalds combo, I can buy any or all the items seperately for a seperate price. There is no discount off one for buying the other. There is a bundle price for buying the entire group.
That is NOT how it works at Comcast. With Comcast, regular TV subs DO NOT get penalized for NOT buying internet. But Internet only subs DO. They don't have a true bundle. They have discrimination against the internet only sub. With Wide Open West (who I have), they have 1 price for cable, 1 price for internet, and another price (bundled) for both. Not a surcharge on internet for failing to have tv service.
And yes, VIABLE competition DOES matter here. Dial up is NOT viable competition. The products are vastly different. DSL would at least be close, but isn't widely available. It's not like going to the Burger King down the street. There is no VIABLE competition. Like being at a sporting event, we are a CAPTIVE audience. Re-regulation is needed. | |
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| OldPissy
join:2002-06-10
Citrus Heights, CA | said by Nightfall:
Want to know why?
Because this has already been beaten to death here.
If it wants to give customers a deal if you get both TV and Internet services, then there shouldn't be a problem.
The complaining you are hearing are from people who just want the Internet portion and not pay more for it.
Either pay the extra money and keep your cable internet OR get both services and save a little money OR find new service.
As I said before though, this has been beaten to death in previous threads.
This hasn't been beaten to death until I get my say in. LOL.. Everyone is right here. COMCAST SUCKS. I always new ATT was SUCKY & didn't even want to imagine a worse ISP getting in my life.. Couldn't wait for ATT to fall in a deep hole some where or just vanish like some files to the destination unknown & never seen again. HeHe.
As for your remarks of "give customers a deal if you get both" Well I see no problems with a deal at all. But lets see these people get a deal not just a line of crap like you just posted. Lets see Comcast give new subscribers the prices we pay now & lower current subscribers rates that have both already. Now thats a deal since we don't get any better service than we did from ATT which wasn't worth the daily headaches while on indefinite hold. Lower the overpriced rates on both. Unless you watch the omg crap that is on the tube anymore & truly enjoy it, you don't need both. Why get burned on the so called bundle (crap, more crap) Unless you have money to waist which I doubt.
I heard a few months back the FCC was going to finally get involved with broadband since its about the only communication thing they aren't involved in to date. What ever happened to that. FCC regs. finally controlling a somewhat uncontrolled industry with little fairness to the subscribers sounds like a plan to me. I hate government interference in things but something has to be done.. So NightFall, if you like to be submissive or a push over & believe your getting a deal thats fine. The majority don't agree there is a deal from the for-mentioned ATT nor present Comcast! Who by the way couldn't tie they're shoe laces without a color picture with numbered steps.
So this topic isn't beaten to death nor ever will be. Maybe you are just sick of seeing it in your daily tutorials of this forum. If you don't like reading it then skip it & move on. There is always going to be someone finally getting tired of the humping they are getting & finally want to speak out. Or just someone like me to post something just to spite you with the tude. What are forums for if not to speak your mind, ask, and answer questions? If not maybe help someone else make a better informed decision. Let the readers read or not read what they choose.
So as Paul Harvey would say: Good day! | |
| | | | Nightfall is right. Cable internet is not a right. Broadband internet service is not a right either. Comcast can charge whatever they want for THEIR service. No matter how you look at it is THEIR product. Comcast is well aware that people will cancel just like any business is when they raise prices. If don't want to pay, cancel. | |
| | | | Well attbi stated they had the right to change prices 'upon reasonable notice', comcast stated 'there will be no rate changes' on the transition website. For all od us whose rate went up without notice there is the potential for a class action based on breach of contract. They can't provide details of how they informed us of the price increase (because they didn't inform us).
I don't know any law though so I could just be blowing smoke. | |
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join:2003-01-19
New Fairfield, CT
·PHONE POWER
| Comcast well you know &$&^$& What a Great Picture. Reminds me of alot of the policies we have at work. Any way ATT bought out by Comcast that happened when I live in Briarcliff,NY they bought out Media One as soon as they took over the bill went from 13.00 dollars for basic to 38.00 for the same thing. I complained they did nothing so I cancelled. I can go with out TV I do not need TV. The only way cable companies are ever going to stop ripping the consumer off is by everyone cancelling thier cable service.
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| ApoDoc
join:2002-01-10
Streamwood, IL | #$%^ COMCAST Its time for me to switch to DSL. I am 12,000 feet away from the CO. What should I go with. I am in Des Plaines, IL 60016 | |
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| said by ApoDoc:
Its time for me to switch to DSL. I am 12,000 feet away from the CO. What should I go with. I am in Des Plaines, IL 60016
I'd try the Worldcom resellers [Cyberonic, Digizip, Britsys, etc.] first for the 1.5/768 ADSL; then Covad or the ILEC. | |
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join:2001-04-22
Brooklyn, NY | You dont have to pay 56k is available.
If enough people drop their service then they will rethink
the price hike.
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| | | This is what you get For all of you that complained about @Home in the old days, this is what you get. Alot of you said it couldn't get any worse with @home, then ATTBI took over. Everyone was capped and prices remained the same. Then the complaining about ATTBI started and all of said it can't get much worse. Hello Comcast.
Too many people on this board have non practical solutions like starting mobs and killing people. That's foolish. People have no one to blame but themselves. Everyone keeps voting the same politicians into office time after time. Republicans, Democrats it doesn't matter. Big Business will continue to have more clout than voters unless people wake up. | |
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imone
join:2001-01-24
Denver, CO | Comcast Blows is an understatement
At this point in time I'd rather have Qwest DSL if comcast doesn't get there heads removed from there buttox very quickly. | |
| | | | Re: Comcast Blows is an understatement said by imone:
3 other clanmates all recently migrated from @home all had the same ping. I cannot believe how shitty that is. One person lives in Oregon, one in Denver, one in California, and one in Michigan. Have these assmunches at comcast changed our speed???
At this point in time I'd rather have Qwest DSL if comcast doesn't get there heads removed from there buttox very quickly.
Reciently migrated from @home? @home has been dead for over a year!
Comcast does not run a national backbone as @home attempted to do. Once you reach the Headend of your local system you are handed off to one of the various operators of the internet backbone, who then follow their own routing procedures to get your traffic to and from the site you are attempting to contact. The times you are complaining about are not in any manner controlled by Comcast! The times you report are just a reflection of the amount of traffic on the Internet or congestion at various routing points. | |
| | | imone
join:2001-01-24
Denver, CO | Re: Comcast Blows is an understatement Oh, sorry Mjc. Didn't get my copy of ISP Today this month.
You obviously get my point or you wouldn't have added your 2 cents about the autopsy of @home broadband.
The ping times are still a problem though. I do not think it is Comcast anymore. After thinking about it; if you purchased a whole ISP/CABLE/PHONE provider, would you change anything? The amount of man hours involved in doing such would be next to slave labor.
From Comcast:
»merger.comcast.com/Merger/FAQ/Fa···414.html | |
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said by imone:
3 other clanmates all recently migrated from @home all had the same ping. I cannot believe how shitty that is. One person lives in Oregon, one in Denver, one in California, and one in Michigan. Have these assmunches at comcast changed our speed???
At this point in time I'd rather have Qwest DSL if comcast doesn't get there heads removed from there buttox very quickly.
Reciently migrated from @home? @home has been dead for over a year!
Comcast does not run a national backbone as @home attempted to do. Once you reach the Headend of your local system you are handed off to one of the various operators of the internet backbone, who then follow their own routing procedures to get your traffic to and from the site you are attempting to contact. The times you are complaining about are not in any manner controlled by Comcast! The times you report are just a reflection of the amount of traffic on the Internet or congestion at various routing points.
unn think again, they still have @home here in the outskirts of indy and it is called comcast @home | |
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join:2003-04-03
Abingdon, MD | Re: Comcast Blows is an understatement | |
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| | WHAT'S UP WITH cOMCAST AS SOON AS I FOUND OUT THAT COMCAST WAS JACKING UP THE PRICE I LOOK INTO A DIFFERENT ALTERNATIVE. DSL WAS ALL OF A SUDDEN AVAILABLE IN MY AREA SO I SIGN UP AND DUMP COMCAST RIGHT AWAY......WHAT SO FUNNY IS THAT WHEN I SPOKE TO COMCAST CUSTOMER SERVICE, THE ASK WHY I AM DUMPING THEM. THEY SHOULD HAVE KNOW THAT ALOT OF PEOPLE ARE GOING TO DUMP THEM AS SOON AS THE JACK UP THE PRICES OR HAVE THEIR OWN CABLE. THEY WANT ME TO PAY A LOCAL CHANNEL CABLE FOR $6-8 DOLLARS WHERE I CAN'T GET IT FOR FREE.. THEY ARE FULL OF SHIT... | |
| |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: WHAT'S UP WITH cOMCAST I agree. paying for your locals is bunk. although people do pay for water.
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| |  belawrenceThey'll never let you in
join:2000-08-06
Santee, CA |  It's probably part of their overall plan
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| | | vic102482Premium
join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD Reviews:
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| Re: It's probably part of their overall plan said by belawrence:
Customer cancellations = less customers = lower saturation of HFC network = no need to perform network upgrades.
= no money.
You really think a TOLL bridge operator is happy because of no traffic?:)
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| | Why is this suddenly a problem? Where were Senator Boxer, the Consumers Union, and the Consumer Federation of America a year ago when Comcast was in the process of standardizing their non-CATV subscriber fees for what Comcast refers to as their historical systems? This policy was in place within Comcast before they took over AT&T Broadband. The only thing different now is that the higher rate is being applied to a percentage of 3.6 million customers versus a percentage of 1.5 million customers (unless maybe a few of the new customers have more political clout than the old ones).
This is not anything new - it is a case of Comcast applying an existing rate policy to their newly acquired customer base. | |
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KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK Reviews:
·AT&T DSL Service
| Twisting your arm so you won't get DBS Since other Cable companies aren't a threat, this is purely a move designed to hurt people who use DBS (DTV, Dish Network) and don't want cable TV.
They want to force people to switch away from DBS and for current subscribers to not leave them for Satellite.
They call it "marketing" and "bundling" but I call it "Price Gouging" and "Unfair competition."
Until the FCC passes a law that says that you can't *penalize* people by charging them more for NOT signing up for a service. In other words, you shouldn't be able to charge a DBS user more for Cable Internet then you charge anyone else for Cable Internet.
Giving a discount for signing up for a lot of services is one thing (bundling). This isn't it. This is penalizing people who refuse your service and go to the competition.
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|  CattrflyG5 DeprivedPremium
join:2002-11-18
Audubon, NJ | Bundled discounts? I'm kind of grabbing the back end of the topic here, but I certainly don't get any discount for having Comcast's Digital cable and cable internet service.  When I asked their customer service drones about the possibility a couple of months ago I was informed that they "don't do anything like that". If this supposed discount for multiple services is a recent development I'd love to know when they plan to actually apply it to existing customers!
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| | | | Re: Bundled discounts? "I'm kind of grabbing the back end of the topic here, but I certainly don't get any discount for having Comcast's Digital cable and cable internet service."
You certainly do. The combined price is $15 less than the individual prices.
The weird thing is that you don't have to subscribe to Digital or even Full Analog; basic-basic Analog qualifies, which means that it can be cheaper to subscribe to cable TV than not. | |
| | | | | Re: Bundled discounts? It is more of a case of semantics and marketing than anything else - the math works out the same. For some reason, some people might find it more palatable if Comcast advertised their standard price for their internet service as being $57.95 per month with a $15 discount if you are a Comcast CATV subscriber.
Going back to Cattrfly  's post, additional types of bundled discounts are specific to local systems (available in some areas, not available in others - see the Promotions here for an example »mywebpages.comcast.net/comcast_m···ts-1.htm ). As for why these are not universal, one would have to ask Comcast. | |
| | | | | | Re: Bundled discounts? That's always my beef. THAT CABLE PRICES AREN'T UNIVERSAL. If they were, and these PENALTIES were universal, it would be easier to regulate. I have always said that the majority of people would have LOWER CABLE RATES and better service if there were only 1 cable company nationwide. WOW customers are the exception. Who cares about them? They are the winners of life's lottery. | |
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join:2002-11-13
Beaverton, OR | Re: Bundled discounts? said by 2farfromCO7:
WOW customers are the exception. Who cares about them? They are the winners of life's lottery.
Maybe. I thought they tended to have network issues at times. Here, I can honestly say, things have been very reliable from @Home -> ATTBI -> Concast, er I mean COMCAST.
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| | The Beast From The East As a former AT&T cable modem installer here in the San Francisco Bay Area, I quit specifically because I didn't want to work for Comcast.
I just recevied an email from Comcast this morning bragging about their improved services and blah blah blah....
I replied with a note: "You mean improved service like bandwith restrictions and a higher rate for customers that don't have TV service? %$#@ you."
The bible talks about "the beast rising from the east." Well it's here folks. | |
| | Hitman2
join:2002-11-13
Beaverton, OR | Re: The Beast From The East said by ATTGUY2:
I replied with a note: "You mean improved service like bandwith restrictions and a higher rate for customers that don't have TV service? %$#@ you."
AT&T had these also.
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| | | | | Re: The Beast From The East I find this discussion sort of ironic. I recently switched from Speakeasy DSL to Comcast because it saves me about $15/month. My condo fee already covers the cost of cable TV.
I'd also considered going with Covad as both my ISP and carrier, for about the same as cable. But I would have had to pay $99 for hardware, and would have only gotten 384kb.
There are a lot of things I don't like about Comcast, but its an acceptable tradeoff. Cable seems to always be a monopoly, so I have low expectations. I'm more worried about SBC. | |
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| | Comcast is smart Comcast is smart. They know what they're doing. First they raise the rate on internet service to approx $54 for customers who don't have TV service, and tell everyone that they can purchase a "bundled service" with a lower price.
But you can bet they have a fall back plan, because they KNOW that someone out there will cry "foul", and try to stop them from charging a higher rate. Comcast will fight for a while to make it look good, then they'll announce
"okay we'll roll the rate back to what it was but impose bandwith restrictions instead and charge people more who use more." Imposing bandwith restrictions and charging people more who use more seems to be a more accepted buiness practice. And they'll get away with it and make their extra revenue that way. Using this sneaky plan is the way to get what they wanted in the first place. More money for more data.
I know because I was at the meeting. | |
| | | | Re: Comcast is smart???
1) Popup filters. I'm NOT paying for popup ads, so stop them before they get to me.
2) SPAM filters. See item 1.
3) Banner ad removal. See item 1.
You see where this is going? If I have to pay per byte, as it were, then I ALONE am the sole arbiter as to which bytes I'm paying for, and THEY will only supply me with those bytes. If they can't do this, then they can't implement the pricing structure, either. | |
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