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| That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it Instead of being greeted with music when played however, downloaders will be greeted by Madonna herself, asking them "What the f--- do you think you?re doing?" Only Madonna! Hahah. That's just funny. I can imagine some of her fans going, "what the hell!?" when they hear that. It won't work on a large scale but it might deter a few fans from pirating her music. I can only hope so. Although she is a millionaire many times over and doesn't really "need" the income, "fans" should be supporting the artist. Especially the independent, lesser known ones.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it said by Cyron  :
Do you know how much a Madonna concert ticket costs? If I support an artist, I do it buying concert tickets, and there's now way in hell I'm paying $85 dollars for a general admission ticket.
Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.
Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).
In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it said by boogie74 :
Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.
Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).
In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.
Boogie
Agreed for the most part. It should also be said that a great number of artists don't tour. For instance, a lot of bands I listen to (various noise/ambient/experimental/industrial) are unable to tour due to financial restraints. They're also logistically unable to travel to where their fan base is (it's not unusual for, say, a Swedish band like Covenant to be big in America and shipping all your gear to play a foreign gig is very expensive).
It's also a bit hard for some electronic (or complex studio bands like Mr. Bungle) bands to "translate" their extremely dense sonic maelstrom to a live venue. Often bands like NIN/Skinny Puppy are left putting a great deal of the show on DAT since it's not possible to play 30-40 synth parts at one time. And for this limitation a lot of bands aren't able to tour, or have a large label behind them to help pay for the tour expenses. Anyway, tours are only really profitable if you're a big artist. It's a double-edged sword in that way. And that's why buying the music is especially important to the independent and lesser known artists. Otherwise they may not be around to make music next time.
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Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.
There are plenty of examples of recording and previously recorded artists giving concerts to make money. Janis Ian comes to mind - in 25 years she has gotten from her label nothing but statements showing HER owing THEM money. So she makes her money from merchandising and concert tours, and it's difficult to say she concentrates on one album, given she hasn't recorded any in a while. Joni Mitchell is another one - if and when she still does concerts. I'm sure there are plenty more, despite what you wish to believe. | |
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it Let's all check reality with what we're talking about here. Ticket sales for concerts at a local bar or college auditorium for an independently recorded band along with concerts from HUGE name, old material bands like the Rolling Stones, Barbara Streisand, Janis Ian, Joni Mitchell, Paul McCartney, and Barry Manilow are NOT the same as album promotion tours.
But you are claiming that it is ok to obtain music by downloading it from a P2P and reimburse the artist by going to a concert once or twice every 5 years instead.
When a painter paints something, he/she does it to sell it. Whether that artist hires someone to promote the art or he sells it himself on e-bay is not the point. He would NEVER tell you that it's ok if you sat down and copied it for free (no matter how talented you are). He would never allow you to make millions of color photo-copies of it (even at your own expense) so you can distribute it to others (neither friends nor strangers). His motive is to SELL it to you for a PROFIT. He may go out on "tour" and show his art to people at museums, art shows, etc, but this is in an effort to SELL more of his art!
You can complain that you only like HALF of the painting that he made (the other half is ugly and you plan on cutting it off). But he won't just give you the corner of the canvas you happen to like. You HAVE to buy the whole thing. After that, you're welcome to cut it up as you like. But you AREN'T welcome to make copies of it to distribute to your friends- because they shouldn't have to pay for the art too.
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too.
Boogie
P2P isn't squeezing any artist dry of any money they would get from record sales, concerts, endorsements or whatever. The RIAA has no case regarding file trading making them lose money. As a matter of fact indy labels are getting a nice and steady increase in sales. Regading concert tours yes an artist with a large label will make tons more touring than they would on CD sales. Your milage may vary with indy labels as they tend to have a higher royalty rate for the artists and, as you said, touring venues may not be as profitable depending on the act.
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| I guess when you look at it purely at the root of the problem, it's basically a "right or wrong" thing according to the law of the land, not according to your conscience. As long as there is a way to "beat" the system, some will do it and justify it anyway they can whether it's right or wrong, legal or illegal. As soon as technology comes up with a way to control the media swappage over P2P, there will be another venue available to beat the system all over again.
The point of it all is whether you can look at yourself in the mirror every morning and sleep well every night based upon what you did in between. Human nature will never change, nor will the power of money of those who wish to control it. All the pontificators arguing the supposedly finer points are just wasting their time.
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| said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.
All that because I had the nerve to correct you and point out that many performers do concerts in order to make money from concerts, and not just to promote an album or any album? Don't know what cross you bear, but I don't want any part of it.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it said by ravital :
said by boogie74 :
So get real, grow up, and realize that despite how much you think that the RIAA and the artistic world is a combination of the Nazi Third Reich, the Taliban and the Iraqi Baath Party, they are all looking to pay for the food on their table and they deserve a living too. It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.
All that because I had the nerve to correct you and point out that many performers do concerts in order to make money from concerts, and not just to promote an album or any album? Don't know what cross you bear, but I don't want any part of it.
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Actually, your post happened to be the one that I hit "reply" on. I wasn't intending my post to be directed at you for solely responding to me.
I agreed with your post. The rest of my subsequent post was directed at the droves of people here on DSLR that hold the opinion that they are entitled to obtain music without paying for it because of the following empty if not completely false reasons:
1. Music today sucks.
2. Artists make no money from album sales anyways
3. P2P networking would expand DSL deployment.
4. The RIAA is a huge international conspiracy to fill our minds with "Boy Bands" and "New Pop Culture"
5. CD's are way overpriced at $30-75 per CD (I buy CD's for about $11, btw)
6. "I don't like all the songs on the CD, so until they find a way to sell me songs at $0.50 per song, I'll download them for free"
7. Madonna sucks.
My response to these attitudes and more is simple: Yes, people as a whole will try to get away with as much as they can at any one given point of time. Does that mean that it is still ok?
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My response to these attitudes and more is simple: Yes, people as a whole will try to get away with as much as they can at any one given point of time. Does that mean that it is still ok?
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sure download away the riaa has done stuff to drasticlly tip the scales in thier favor to keep getting repeatative pay. for instance the ability to sample a track created 20 years ago. yeah you gotta pay for stuff like that.
the riaa is defunct and the people know it. now trying to get the goverment to understand it is a different animal.
it's a game of cat and mouse and the riaa is trying to stop the game. they play these games in software piracy as well. they change key check alagorythms froms version to version or they update the methods to make it stronger.
it's done all over. my tax's should not be tied up in courts and stuff due to the riaa trying to maintain it's strong hold on the people who create music. these people like madonna are nothing more then corporate shills. they are told what to say and when to say it in fear of their cash cows being slaughtered for meat.
it's all in the game of life. it's a cat and mouse game. if the riaa wants to protect it's media go right ahead but be it known people won't stand for it and will stop buying it if they get out of hand.
did microsoft stop selling win xp when it was under scrutiny for it's piracy protection ??? no they stepped up and acted on what they new. so they let the updates take care of it, while also being non invasive now.
imagine that a company actually trying to protect it's cash cow the right way by building security and not tieing up peoples money in court. why doesn't the riaa do the same ??? why spend our money we can spend theirs.... | |
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It's wrong, you know it, so quit complaining about reasons why you should be allowed to do it.
Read carefully. I'm only going to waste my time once.
Intellectual -1 a : of or relating to the intellect or its use b : developed or chiefly guided by the intellect rather than by emotion or experience : RATIONAL c : requiring use of the intellect
2 a : given to study, reflection, and speculation b : engaged in activity requiring the creative use of the intellect
Property - 1 a : a quality or trait belonging and especially peculiar to an individual or thing b : an effect that an object has on another object or on the senses c : VIRTUE 3 d : an attribute common to all members of a class
2 a : something owned or possessed; specifically : a piece of real estate b : the exclusive right to possess, enjoy, and dispose of a thing : OWNERSHIP c : something to which a person or business has a legal title d : one (as a performer) under contract whose work is especially valuable
3 : an article or object used in a play or motion picture except painted scenery and costumes
Since you are such the model of intellectual rigor; explain to the audience, in pratical terms; how an individual, or an entity, could own an intellectual concept, otherwise known as an idea?
How long could an individual, or entity prevent this idea from being stolen and being reproduced, once the idea is presented publicly?
How long can an idea, especially a popular one, be contained or restricted, when presented publicly?
What political and economic systems can possibly be successful in limiting a publicly expressed idea for an indefinite period of time?
Answer these questions, and I might just continue wasting my intellectual property on you.
Have a good one.
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| said by boogie74 :
The rest of my subsequent post was directed at the droves of people here on DSLR that hold the opinion that they are entitled to obtain music without paying for it because of the following empty if not completely false reasons:
I'm glad we agree. It's not an "entitlement" if that's what you mean. At the same time it's hard to ignore the fact that so many of us would gladly pay for it if there were a legal way to get exactly what we want for a reasonable price. | |
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it quote:
In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.
He is right that bands like Madonna do tour only to promote their able. Yes there are bands that do not tour because of this. Lots of smaller bands tour only for fun or for various other reasons. But with large bands it is a different story. First of all they don't set the price. The fact that her tickets cost that much is not up to Madonna. This problem is the reason that Pearl Jam was sueing ticket master about 10 years ago. I've heard that Rage Against the Machine has tried to fight this also.
For a band like Atom & His Package or Alien Sex Fiend the prices still aren't decided by the band. There is some influence by the band because usually the band will charge a flat fee and then ask for a certain percentage of the money that comes from the door. But comparing Madonna's touring reasons to those of some small underground group you listen to you are comparing apples to oranges.
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| Don't give me that bull---t about the money not going to the artist. They do not drive around the country for free, out of the kindness of their heart, to only promote their album sales. If that was the case, then why do we pay for the concert? Why are more popular artists more expensive than others? Where does that money go? I think you're comment is ineffectual, if anyone's, and you can continue paying ridiculous prices to help promote this bitch's new album....sucker! | |
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it said by Uno3whO :
Don't give me that bull---t about the money not going to the artist. They do not drive around the country for free, out of the kindness of their heart, to only promote their album sales. If that was the case, then why do we pay for the concert? Why are more popular artists more expensive than others? Where does that money go? I think you're comment is ineffectual, if anyone's, and you can continue paying ridiculous prices to help promote this bitch's new album....sucker!
Are you assuming that the venue gets nothing, that the tour sponsor gets nothing, that the local technical crews are volunteer and that the band is paid nothing from the venue itself?
My point is simply that bands have concerts to promote themselves and sell albums- not to sell tickets per se.
I find it odd that you call someone willing to pay for music instead of stealing it (who also has differing musical tastes than you) "a sucker."
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it First of all, I know that people make money off of these concerts...that is precisely the point I was trying to make. If you would have read the comment I replied to you would understand that. I think that you are a sucker, too, for complaining all the time about P2P networks. Just because you aren't able enough to benefit from the P2P networks doesn't mean that it is wrong for others to use it. How do you think the music gets there in the first place? From people BUYING the albums!! I don't think it is a big deal for people to trade and share their music when millions of people are buying the overpriced cd's everyday anyway. And, I didn't call him a sucker for buying music, I buy music. I called him a sucker for being totally oblivious to the fact that these millionaire artists make millions from each tour. Get your shit straight before you respond. | |
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said by Cyron :
Do you know how much a Madonna concert ticket costs? If I support an artist, I do it buying concert tickets, and there's now way in hell I'm paying $85 dollars for a general admission ticket.
Despite what you wish to believe, the money from concert ticket sales isn't cash that goes to the artist. Bands go on concert for one thing and one thing only: to promote record sales.
Did you honestly believe it was just coincidence that concerts always tend to focus on ONE album- the latest one out? And they play the CRAP that some hate! Oh, they'll play some of their best stuff to motivate the audience- but out of the 10-12 songs (at most) that are played, at least 7 to 9 of them will be from the same, newest album (usually the title of the tour, no less).
In closing, concerts aren't for making money from ticket sales- they're for promoting record sales.
Boogie
let me add to that by saying "BS" you want us to think they go to all that trouble, travel, and frigging headache for nothing??? you think we are as old and feeble minded as she is? get a life | |
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| I totally agree with supporting the lesser known artists. I just bought my first cd in..oh about 5 years. Group called "Evanescence". Really great group from Ak.
"Artists" such as "mad donna" give true artists a bad name.
I always had this distinction. If you play an actual instrument (Voice doesnt count) then i call you an artist, e.g. Michelle Branch, Sarah McLachlan, etc.
If you just sing, but write your own songs, then i call you a performer, e.g. Andrea Coor, etc.
But if you just sing, and dont even write your own songs, then i just call you "entertainment", e.g. most others.
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you play an actual instrument (Voice doesnt count) then i call you an artist
Singing is definitely an art form. Listen to Ella Fitzgerald or Buddy Holiday. If that's not art then neither is the Moonlight Sonata.
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Upper Marlboro, MD | Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it Maxo, i'm only 20! My music database is a bit skewed in that it only dates to the mid to late 90's and on.
But i will check on those and and take your word for it.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it I'm 22. It's true that most modern vocalist are just performers and not artists. This is true for older bands also like Tom Jones n' such. They are performers. Madonna is also a performer.
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| Just because she is already a millionaire does that mean she should cease her pursuit of generating revenue? Yes, she is being rather stupid for taking this avenue in dealing with her bottled up angst against those who do not value her music as much as she would have them to. It is also a bit ridiculous to suggest that someone who has already accrued large amounts of money should become careless as to how the product of their life's work is acquired. I do think this tactic will have an adverse effect on those fans who are on the receiving end of her beratement, but that is obviously an acceptable risk to her.
I hardly think you would like for it to be said that you are already making 40,000.00/year, and are able to meet your expenses so you don't "need" any further compensation. Is anyone really in a position to say that X amount of income is sufficient for any one human, and anything above is negligible? I know that personally, as my income has increased, so have my tastes and standard of living. Even Bill Gates can live beyond his means. | |
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Now she does this. I have again learned a valuable lesson. Money still has meaning to her.
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| I hope we can copy the f*ck out of all music out there right now. I dont think music is a commodity like any other and the bands that are put together just to earn a lot of cash deserve to go under (Spears and Nsync come to mind). If I want to pay for music I will. I am not paying first and listening later. Last year I spent 600 dollars on Cd's that I liked. I try - then I buy - if I feel it is worth the money. Hopefully we can end this blatant commercialism and get some real frickin artists that produce music for fun and have a real job on the side. I am also extremely happy to hear that Madonnas website got hacked today. Haha, she picked the wrong group to mess around with.
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| Re: That's a funny, if ineffectual way around it I like to try and then buy as well. I will download a song or two or five, if I like what I hear, the album comes into my collection. If not, the songs are deleted and life goes on. I was recently turned onto some old Theatre of Tragedy, downloaded it, then bought that album. Had I not sampled the new album, I would have very mistakenly purchased a brit-pop cd which is a vast difference over the metal they played in the album I now own. Evolution is not always good. | |
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| I hate to break this to you, but U2 made over 75 million in touring last year alone. Paul McCartney, playing less than 20 shows made over 20 million (that's over a million per show profit). Ticket prices for the biggest acts average well over $100, so bands like U2, the Rolling Stones, and Madonna make a killing. Even bands whose concert tickets average under $40 dollars (Widespread Panic, The Allman Brothers) make millions touring.
I know the ticket venues and Ticketmaster get a large chunk of ticket sales and concessions, the artist still profits much more from concerts than record sales.
You were right that touring is used to promote album sales. Which is why the RIAA includes mandatory tour details in all of their contracts. The recording industry doesn't pay a dime for touring anymore (most tours now get a corporate sponsor), so any boost in record sales is pure gravy for them. | |
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Someone should get that clip, make up a funny website with some flash movie, and reap in the $$ off of that. | |
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| Didn't deter me After reading the article, I decided to give Kazaa a try and see for myself how hard it was to download her song.
I did a search for American Life and of course the search found tons of songs. One song of a certain size was found with 23 users sharing the same version. I downloaded it, and voila..the complete song with no skips or profanities from her.
I don't really care for her music (or for herself for that matter) so I deleted it, but I found it pretty funny how I found the song on the first attempt.
I guess if Madonna can't make headlines for her (good) music, she needs to find ways to make headlines by other methods. Almost seems like it is "free advertising" for her to make headlines about how it will be "difficult" to download her new crappy song single.
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| Re: Didn't deter me 1) Its her freaking fans.... When you tell people who buy your over priced music then tell then to go fu*k themselves, personally I would be extremly pissed! I stopped buying Metalica crap. And though I never liked Madonna if I got that little treat I would download every single album she ever made and share it w/ the whole world!!! muahahaha 
My personal opinion on Rich Celeberties against pirating is: If they loose a few thousand record sales (and lose on millions) and still make millions on recordsales, tours, and merchandise they have no reason to complain... All this shows Madonnas greed and also what she really thinks of her fans that made her the rich material whore that she is today.. | |
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| Nothing new, this has been done before and it doesn't work. I remember a couple years ago Barenaked Ladies tried that same thing. Except they added their little insults to the file and made it bigger then it was supposed to be. Then it became dead easy to spot the fake file based on file size alone and I actually ran across a site with a whole list of people sharing the fake file. Not too mention with any of these P2P apps, you could probably listen to the file as it downloads and delete it before it's finished downloading if it's fake. This will only work with complete noobs that don't know what they're doing. Otherwise it sounds more like a lame attempt for Madonna to get some media attention because she's become a complete has been.
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC | Re: Didn't deter me It also won't work because an mp3 can be downloaded from Kazaa in less than a minute with a good broadband connection. Do a search, and download 10 or 15 different versions, in less than 30 minutes, and keep the mp3 that's not fake. | |
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g3ddylee
join:2002-12-09
Lincoln Park, NJ
| said by login name :
I did a search for American Life and of course the search found tons of songs. One song of a certain size was found with 23 users sharing the same version. I downloaded it, and voila..the complete song with no skips or profanities from her.
Yeah, I'm a metalhead, but I decided that it would be a riot to hear that dumb broad cuss me out. Oh, but low-and-behold, I COULDN'T FIND THE FAKE VERSION! I downloaded about 6 different filesizes--all the correct song. | |
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vic102482
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Upper Marlboro, MD | Madonna Oh noooo please say it aint so not MADDDDONNNAAAA noooooo
/me goes to uninstall kazaa and irc. | |
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Tomek
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Brooklyn, NY | _ I'm going to download it! I want to hear her.
Stupid b****. I don't even listen to that crap music.
Say no to
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join:2002-09-24
Charlotte, NC | HaHa I downloaded the bogus file and have it play every time I click on an ED2K link. | |
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | Re: HaHa what is the file size ?? | |
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Houston, TX | Re: HaHa Now I want the file so I can use it as an error message on my computer.
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| File size is 7.05mB. You'll have to edit the file because after the cursing, there's three minutes of nothing.
[text was edited by author 2003-04-18 13:57:53] | |
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| Re: HaHa said by Cyron :
File size is 7.05mB. You'll have to edit the file because after the cursing, there's three minutes of nothing.
[text was edited by author 2003-04-18 13:57:53]
What's the exact size of the song? (in bytes)
There are way too many hits...
[text was edited by author 2003-04-18 16:58:08] | |
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jethrogump
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Mesquite, TX | What do you expect Madonna is an old prostitute from way back ya do know whores gotta eat too:)
So pay da girl if you want to listen to her stuff.
Personally its hard to listen to Material Girls with Harry armpits. | |
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join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA
| Re: What do you expect said by jethrogump :
Madonna is an old prostitute from way back ya do know whores gotta eat too:)
So pay da girl if you want to listen to her stuff.
Just leave the money on the dresser. | |
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| Another Spineless Performer Did anyone notice how she pulled her "controversial" video from release right after Michael Moore was nearly booed off the stage at the Oscars for his diatribe? You may have seen clips of the video, making a mockery of things with dancers dressed in fatigues, Madonna tossing a grenade, and so on.
What a spineless opportunistic a** she is, to produce this garbage and then run for cover when the prevailing attitude of the society is to reject the message (if there was one). God forbid she should lose any fans due to them seeing what she's really all about.
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| WTF do you think I'm doing??? I'm trying to download your song to see if it's worth shelling a buck fifty...oh wait, you're supposed to be British now (Complete with accent).
Let me try that again...*ahem*
WTF do you think I am doing? Why I'd I'm trying to listen to your music to see if it is indeed rubbish or worth paying a pound | |
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join:2001-03-31
Chicago, IL | i can't wait to hear the remix i can't wait for some witty mixmaster to scratch that one, what tha, what tha, what tha, phuck figgity phuck fu-fu-fu | |
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marigolds
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Saint Louis, MO
| In some defense of Madonna... At least she is also offering a download from her website of the same song for $1.49.
That is a fairly reasonable price (assuming it is a high bit rate download) and could be a much faster download than finding the song on Kazaa.
Some musicians may tell their funds not to download their music from P2P, but at least she offers a reasonably priced alternative.
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SRFireside
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Houston, TX
| $1.49 is not a reasonable price. It's either the record label's standard premium price or even over that. Considering her album (with 12-16 tracks) will sell for about $17 I consider the offer for an inferior quality, non-hard copy, burn it myself (if she lets you) track at that price is way overpriced. Fast downloads or not.
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marigolds
Gainfully employed, finally
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Saint Louis, MO
| According to Madonna's website, those who download the single get it without limitations on making their own copies. As well, you can sign up for a program to resell the single (supposedly for "big prizes").
Compared to what some companies out there want from song downloads, $1.49 is not a bad price; and the distribution system being used (through third party websites rather than directly through her site according to Madonna's current WB webpage) is at least somewhat innovative for a commerical design.
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| TheWickerMan
join:2002-04-09
Enola, PA | Sounds reasonable to me. I don't like Madonna at all, but if I did, I'd probably go for it. Or maybe not. I actually prefer to have the CD, but for those who don't, sounds like a decent alternative. | |
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BigDaddyChud
join:2002-11-16
Gladstone, OR | Whats the deal? I have tried finding the "good" version but all I can seem to get is her singing. What is the file size we should be looking for? | |
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Whats the deal? heh heh.... looking for the mp3 lambast track? Told you this was free publicity.
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | most download song today? i bet this will be the most downloaded song for april 18-03.. ha ha ha look how much money your going to lose today alone
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Houston, TX
| Re: most download song today? She won't lose a dime. It's free publicity. Now that she has made some controversy over it people will take notice to the fact she actually released an album. The problem is she might end up alienating a few fans with this high-horse move of hers. Ultimately she will make a wad of cash. Not as much as she would if she worked with the mp3 crowd, but still enough to put all our paychecks to shame.
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| Waaaah Dona Madonna is a cry baby ... listen money bags.. lol I dont download your music or any illigal music so get a life. And your old news Madonna your just not interesting I dont care what you have to say. The only thing Madonna gave to people was a service which she has been paid like all the other artists pritty darn good. Im still trying to make a living in America just like everyone nevermind counting my auto's or houses. So keep it to your self Madonna. Dont worry I dont like your music. haha | |
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Aramis604
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| Good Video In the heat of all the Madonna flammings I thought I would point out a good film staring Madonna. It's HILARIOUS!
Check out »www.bmwfilms.com look for the film called "Star." I think it's under last year or last seasons films. It's about 10mins long. You'll love it... good car too.
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CO_Chris
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Broomfield, CO | Re: Good Video Is this some of her best stuff she should have won award for this..LOL
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Aramis604
I Represent Nobody But Myself.
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"Woo Hoo!"
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
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| Oddly enough Oddly enough, I've downloaded madonna's real track about 5 times till I found the 'f$%k you' version I wanted. Odder than that is I've never downloaded any madonna before.
I guess this publicity crap works. Got me to listen to her garbage (not sure what good it did her though.....) | |
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aw3dhg
join:2001-09-05
Middletown, NY | Re: Oddly enough lol I still can't find the planted file just the real one as well as the rest of her steaming pile of an album | |
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vinnie97
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join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | Re: Oddly enough As of 9:21am CST I cannot access her website. DOS? Sys Admin fixing it?
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Merritt, BC | Re: Oddly enough I wanna be cyber spaced not cyber spocked out to rant like a unspaced ranterRRR.You go M:) | |
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