2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m
atter. I think I even said 1-2 months ago that $25/month wouldn't matter. Unless they are WILLING TO TAKE THE RISK TO DEPLOY 384k DSL ON THE NETWORK "AS IS" up to 18000ft regardless of the speed the user ends up connecting at, it won't make a difference. I WILL GUARANTEE YOU THAT 100%(and not one person less) of all potential customers that would even consider DSL are already signed up. If they didn't sign up at $29.95, will $29.95 change anything? NO CHANCE. They need to offer $24.95 all the way to 18000ft AS IS and simply make no guarantees. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| Why does it have to be "Always on"?
Why can't it be "almost always on" or ABSOLUTELY NO GUARANTEES OF PERFECT SERVICE? If you don't like these terms, don't order. However if you agree, there will be absolutely NO REFUNDS OFFERED for service that is up and running say over 66% of the time. BEGGARS CAN'T BE CHOOSERS. That is the only strategy that the RBOCs can use that will beat cable. ANYTHING ELSE WILL FAIL. AVAILABILITY NOW AND NOT 5 MINUTES LATER IS THE ONLY THING THAT MATTERS. I AM RIGHT AND EVERYBODY ELSE THAT DISAGREES IS WRONG. |
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gtidsl
join:2000-07-29
Morristown, NJ | reply to 2farfromCO7
Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m
Sounds like someone is at 18000 feet.... |
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MPScan
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join:2001-08-24
Boston, MA | reply to 2farfromCO7
I don't see what would be so hard about this.
By design, ADSL service is meant to be capable of providing service to 18,000 ft at a speed of 1500kbps. |
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morbo
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price war = good for us. 
let the blood letting begin! |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
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Re: If they don't expand the availability it doesn't m
Beggars can't be choosers. If you are over 12000ft you get 384k with no refunds for downtime as long as your service is up 66% of the time. Take it or leave it. Just provide the service as is. Test the line(FOR REAL!!! NOT JUST TYPING THE ADDRESS INTO A DISTANCE CALCULATOR), if it can take 384 AT ALL, you offer it under those conditions. You don't like the conditions don't sign up. Beggars can't be choosers. |
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saber11
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Clayton, OH
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Re: joy
said by morbo  :
price war = good for us.
let the blood letting begin!
Not if they do what Roadrunner is doing, imposing a 15gig a month cap on combined uploads and downloads with a $12.50 surcharge for every 5gig over.
Sure they may lower the prices, but the capman cometh bringing higher fees.
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morbo
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| said by saber11 :
Not if they do what Roadrunner is doing, imposing a 15gig a month cap on combined uploads and downloads with a $12.50 surcharge for every 5gig over.
Sure they may lower the prices, but the capman cometh bringing higher fees.
is dsl an option for you? no caps at all, and no slowdowns like cable. vote with your $
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
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There's no price war if you can't get DSL. That's a huge percentage of the INNER INNER INNER INNER INNER URBAN(and SUBURBAN) population. DSL availability is barely over 50% in major metro areas. Cable knows this so there's no reason for them to participate in the price war. They will get 100% of the market that can't get DSL and probably 40% of the market at least that can. With those market share numbers, they will easily beat out DSL and be far more profitable doing it. Unless DSL engages in the strategy I suggest THEY WILL LOSE. I'm right and everybody else is wrong. |
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| said by 2farfromCO7 :
There's no price war if you can't get DSL.
true. if dsl pushes the 'no caps' 'servers allowed' 'cheaper service' 'no primetime slow downs' buttons, then they will win over cable.
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI | reply to saber11
Exactly, if DSL was available to 100% of their customers, they could never get away with this. These policies prove that there is no price war and it's completely due to the fact that DSL isn't available. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
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WRONG!!!! They need to do just the opposite. They need to push NO MINIMUM SPEED GUARANTEED and ANYTIME SLOWDOWN WITHOUT WARNING DUE TO LINE CONDITIONS(NOT TRAFFIC) BUTTON. The only way they can beat cable is by offering DSL AS IS(WITHOUT RTs) over 12000ft(which is the limit of SBC, no matter what they tell you, at least in the AmeriCRAP region). |
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DHRacer
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join:2000-10-10
Lake Arrowhead, CA
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| There could be good for many...
2far, is it that time of month for you again?
You have a right to complain about your lack of service in your area. I can see that you are all unhappy because the War has started, but none the battlefields are in your area.
There is not much you can do, besides rail against the companies that wont deploy to your area, but this is a discussion about the pros/cons of a price war, should it really get going.
You should try seeing the possible benefit of this situation: If companies have to lower their rates to be more competitive, then they will have to sign up more subscribers in order to earn the same amount of money before they cut the prices.
So this war may actually help force a company to deploy in your area so they can make some money back. The constitution gives you are right to yell about the sky falling, but I don't think you are seeing the whole picture here.
I hope that you get some service soon, even if it's 384 down and only up 95% of the time, as you say you want anything better than dial-up.
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murdok6100
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join:2002-06-20
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Re: joy
said by 2farfromCO7 :
WRONG!!!! They need to do just the opposite. They need to push NO MINIMUM SPEED GUARANTEED and ANYTIME SLOWDOWN WITHOUT WARNING DUE TO LINE CONDITIONS(NOT TRAFFIC) BUTTON. The only way they can beat cable is by offering DSL AS IS(WITHOUT RTs) over 12000ft(which is the limit of SBC, no matter what they tell you, at least in the AmeriCRAP region).
Oh take heed everyone - Here is the answer. Lets just make a sh*t offer (take it or leave it). Yeah that will go over real well, then all the DSL companies and then ALL the Cable Co's can do the same. Meanwhile we can watch our service and support go down the toilet.
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saber11
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Clayton, OH
| reply to morbo
said by morbo :
is dsl an option for you? no caps at all, and no slowdowns like cable. vote with your $
Nope, crappy phone lines where I live no DSL I already tried that route.
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ntguru911
join:2001-03-26
Powell, OH | reply to 2farfromCO7
Dude, you need to keep taking your prozac!!
Why don't you start up a local neighborhood ISP/WISP? Doing so would take half the time you spend whining on here about distance limitations. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to DHRacer
Re: There could be good for many...
Sorry, I don't live in Fantasy land like Redlands CA, where there's probably a CO every sq mile, with phone lines made of gold, being serviced by SBC/PerfectBell as opposed to SBC/AmeriCRAP. My issues are relevant. They talk about this like it will start a price war, and I say that's dead wrong. It won't start a price war unless they agressively OFFER DSL WITHOUT FURTHER DEPLOYMENT. SPEED IS THE MOST IRRELEVANT ISSUE. It's all about availability. The fact that Cable prices haven't dropped at all and have even gone up in many cases as well as adding caps only proves I'm right. Cable probably sees DBS TV as far more of a threat than DSL, although that threat can easily be defeated by charging 33% more for cable modems without cable TV. DSL IS NO THREAT AT ALL, at least to profitability |
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cybermud
join:2000-08-25
Chicago, IL
| reply to 2farfromCO7
Re: joy
said by 2farfromCO7 :
I'm right and everybody else is wrong.
Wow....2 1/2 years....and still ranting. |
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2farfromCO7
join:2000-10-14
Farmington, MI
| reply to murdok6100
It's a helluva lot better than 28.8. I never said the cable companies will do the same. They don't have to. Their service is far more available. This will only get them to stop raising their prices for internet only customers and placing download caps. If they know that virtually all of their customers can switch to DSL for less, that will start a price war. |
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Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH | reply to morbo
DSL will have bandwidth caps someday... It's inevitable. |
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