Yukstah
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join:2003-04-07
Boston, MA | Fiber!!
I wish I could see a map of my local area! |
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Archivis
Your Daddy
Premium
join:2001-11-26
Earth | So sell it
Sell it to the highest bidder and live lavishly for the rest of your life in another country...
hooray |
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GoD of KaOs
Agent of KaOs
join:2001-01-29
Chatsworth, CA
| reply to Yukstah
Re: Fiber!!
Go to backbone providers sites like Level3, Quest, UUnet, Global Crossings, MCI etc, they usually have backmaps on there sites.
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Ericthorn
It only hurts when I laugh
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join:2001-08-10
Paragould, AR
clubs:  
 ·Paragould.net
|  American Idiocy at its finest...
Well well.. here we have a student using completely free and legal information, and being told to quash it because of the FREE and LEGAL information it provides.
The bigwigs worry about what a terrorist might do.. crippling the lines of communication.
So what do we do? Announce to the world that this information is available from free and legal sources on the internet, so that anyone wanting to be the next Osama can go lay a few sticks of dynamite at a few crucial junctures.
It never ceases to amaze me how idiotic some can be.. here the whole article talks about 'Don't let this get out', while at the same time telling us that this information is available in the public domain.
I actually hope someone bombs this shiat out.. teach us a lesson.. apparently 9/11 did not do that well enough.
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Yukstah
Premium
join:2003-04-07
Boston, MA | reply to Archivis
Re: So sell it
I think this kid has them on a building by building level. That would impress me. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| CLASSIFY THIS!!!!
What idiots, our government. Anyone else see the similarities between the US Government and the RIAA? "we don't know what to do with this evolution in technology, so let's hide it, make it illegal, sue people, classify it, plant WMD in their back yards" Jesus F'ing Christ. This is America...if we can't be the democracy all other democracies look up to, we're just a nation of fatasses who were such poor citizens, they had to leave their own countries and come form their own.
This nation was founded on certain principles. Our forefathers thought they could do it better than the way it was done in their respective countries....that's why they left it all behind and started over again. Freedom, Equality, Justice for all...THAT is Americana....not SUV's Cheap Broadband and Big Macs. If we give up the sole reason we had for forming this country...might as well go back where we came from and give the land back to the natives (...this way the DoI can have its web servers turned back on too)
I do not care what Osama thinks...we are America...we are stronger, more resolved, and more determined to survive as a nation, as a democracy...than a terrorist can and will ever be about destroying what we stand for.
GMU is tossing W's salad...they want the research grant money...they have sold their souls. This is not what Academia is about....almost makes me want to go to the University of Phoenix 
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bistro777
Donuts-Is There Anything They Can't Do?
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join:2002-02-07
Englewood, CO
| reply to Yukstah
Re: So sell it
It's actually worth a few bucks to anyone interested in network deployment in the metro space (DWDM or whatever) - - maybe Yipes et al will offer him a job...if the No Such Agency doesn't snatch him up first.
Fiber is good for you. |
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c0mmander
join:2001-10-03 | reply to kapil
Re: CLASSIFY THIS!!!!
i'm sure there's plenty of redundancies, and considering 95% of the fiber is unlit or dark anyway... |
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sadowski
I Am My Own Doppelganger
Premium,MVM
join:2000-04-14
Buffalo, NY
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Re: So sell it
said by Archivis  :
Sell it to the highest bidder and live lavishly for the rest of your life in another country...
'Tis the American way! |
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chex5
join:2000-05-24
NorthEnd BOS
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| I know one place...
I just recently came back to Boston from a pan-America trip to Colorado and back, on my motorcycle. I couldn't help noticing, being the telecomm geek that I am, that in Western Kansas, on Rt. US-36, things are pretty remote, and the fiber poles, on both side of the highway were pretty obvious and clearly marked with the rubber-capped poles. There are repeater stations setup, with power lines pulled in from god only knows where, to repeat the fiber signal every 10-20 or so miles. (purely conjecture, please correct me if I am wrong about that. ) If you look at the Qwest map, the link from Kansas City to Denver, Im fairly sure ran along that route.
It wouldn't take a genius to map out some places fiber runs, or even get some more highly sensitive places. However, isnt the Net' , ATM networks, and the like supposed to be resiliant and self-healing? What about all the 90% of dark fiber that is out there? Surely with the multitudes of redundant networks across this country, even a major strike against the fiber infrastructure should not be too much of a problem to re-route around.
- Chex
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dddane
join:2002-01-10
Chicago, IL | reply to kapil
Re: CLASSIFY THIS!!!!
well, I think the gov't is trying to protect all business, whereas the RIAA is trying to protect their own business. |
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Maggs
Premium
join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
·RCN CABLE
| Freedom of Speech
This college student has a right to air his work in the public venue irregardless of its security risk. If crippling the fiber backbone was a security problem, wouldn't the IP backbone providers hide their maps. Since this information is free and available, I guarantee you if you spent enough time Googling & doing research you would come to the same conclusions. Why should the government restrict the free speech of an American citizen? This information could in fact be used for benovolent purposes, such as determining whether the communication structure within a certain geographic area is adequate to meet the needs of the region.
"Risk is the price of both innovation & invention" SeanMaggs
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tomsprat
Draw Me A "Cold One"
Premium,ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
clubs:
| When greed and stupidity exceeds common sense
If he has access to the information that will provide him with a road map to destruction, so do terrorists, but his dissertation simplifies matters for them. quote:
"They're worried about national security. I'm worried about getting my degree." - Sean Gorman
Nice attitude, pal. Maybe you should have considered the consequences before starting your project...
quote:
Toward the other end of the free speech spectrum are such people as John Young, a New York architect who created a Web site with a friend, featuring aerial pictures of nuclear weapons storage areas, military bases, ports, dams and secret government bunkers, along with driving directions from Mapquest.com. He has been contacted by the FBI, he said, but the site is still up.
"It gives us a great thrill," Young said. "If it's banned, it should be published. We like defying authority as a matter of principle."
Prisons are filled with inmates who defied authority as a matter of principal. Why don’t you go join them so you can revel together in your moronic platitude?
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to chex5
Re: I know one place...
You are right. Our infrastructure is extremely resilient by design....mostly because it was built by geeks who know and understand these things. In case of an attack, the problem won't be a technological one...the hardest part will be convincing the suits on what course of action to take. The article mentioned an exec from the power company...the idiot isn't worried about national security...he's worried about an attack on HIS part of the national infrastructure that HE has to pay to secure...and pay to rebuild in case of an attack....all he cares about is his bonus and preventing bad PR. It is hard to get people like this to call things rationally. Unfortunately, these are the people buying politicians so their voices get heard, and ours don't.
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tomsprat
Draw Me A "Cold One"
Premium,ExMod 2002-04
join:2000-11-03
Fort Lauderdale, FL
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| reply to Maggs
Re: Freedom of Speech
quote:
Why should the government restrict the free speech of an American citizen?
Like anything else, Free Speech has it's limits, too. Your Right to Free Speech allows you to disclose the ingredients and instructions on how to make a pipe bomb to a minor. Would you? Seems a lot safer than disclosing this information to terrorists...
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | Despite deserving an F
Like terrorists couldn't do this on their own. This guy is hardly Oppenheimer. |
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to tomsprat
Re: When greed and stupidity exceeds common sense
Non sense. The prisons are filled with people who kill, rape and rob....not people who defend what we stand for. (...also because every white woman that ever got raped blamed it on some Puerto Rican guy.)
Authority should be challenged, regardless of the party in power...our whole system of government is based on checks and balances. If such things were not published and challenged, the nuclear super trash can in Nevada would have been in operation by now....and rednecks drilling oil in Alaska would be eating penguins and caribou for dinner.
If you like a more "closed" form of government, there's a bunch of countries I can name that you should export yourself to. Amazingly, most of these countries are also on the list of places we are trying to "liberate"
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Maggs
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join:2002-11-29
Woodside, NY
·RCN CABLE
| reply to Maggs
Re: Freedom of Speech
Of course, you can disclose the instructions on how to make a pipe bomb. This day & age, all of that information is readily available on the internet. ONLY the person who commits the crime should be held accountable, the fact that the information supplied is used in a manner inconsistent with moral, ethical and legal grounds is not in your hands.
"Freedom is not Free" Me
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
| reply to oliphant5
Re: Despite deserving an F
Of course the terrorists couldn't do it...they are brown, thus inferior in all ways possible to the white man. They are too dumb to understand our mighty creations, let alone devise a plan to destroy them.
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kapil
The Kapil
join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL | reply to dddane
Re: CLASSIFY THIS!!!!
Neither one is very effective at whatever it is that they think they are doing.
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