Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| SBC
Pretty soon SBC will have both the trial of ZoneAlarm Firewall on the CD and the option to choose an anti-virus program as an option for one of your free premium services. These are both entirely optional and if you don't like them you can just ignore they exist. Of course if one wants help with either they'd have to contact the respective company and not SBC.
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Rothan Tik
Premium
join:2000-11-07
Danvers, MA |  Common sense...
I run anti-virus and have a firewall on my router. But I guess I can't expect that much of the typical computer user who has not discovered this site yet. 
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-Chris |
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Masque
join:2001-12-04
Auburn, MI | Maybe.....
......they need to chop of the fingers of the hackers.....not unlike chopping off the hand at the wrist of thieves in Turkey. |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
| The isps need to block by default.
The isps need to block certain ports by default. The avergae user doesn't know what a port is, and doesn't care that their computer is insecure.
And if you wanted to do something, or had a firewall yourself, you could call and have your isp remove the firewall.
[text was edited by author 2003-08-14 11:30:21] |
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
| What is this?
said by Article:
Capitalism wouldn't thrive without a large market of uninformed (or sometimes just lazy) users to market to.
Why must irrelevant opinions get interjected into articles? I have yet to figure out how it adds anything relevant to the article or the discussion as a whole.
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"Don't steal. The government hates competition." |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
| reply to Maxo
Re: SBC
quote:
These are both entirely optional and if you don't like them you can just ignore they exist.
Then the average aohell customer not knowing what is, will ignore it, and will get stuff like msblaster. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to BillRoland
Re: What is this?
Yeah, should read "Anti-Virus companies" now that I think about it.  |
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BillRoland
Premium
join:2001-01-21
Ocala, FL
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| said by Karl Bode  :
Yeah, should read "Anti-Virus companies" now that I think about it.
Now that I'll agree with
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"Don't steal. The government hates competition." |
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fadadfa
@bellsouth.net
| are they simple?
yes the majority of computer users are simple, i know this fool who bought a whole new computer because she got a virus, she wanted my help and she said "well i have pc-cillan" and i told her it wasnt good and she needed something better, she said she didnt have the money if she wasnt sure it would work, and wouldnt let me run an online scan "because it could of been set up by a 12 year old". she blamed me (i was staying over for a few days, thats something else) for the virus(es) because i had "been to google, it had something to do with the google ads thats what i traced it down to". then it had something to do with a game i downloaded from downloads.com, a very popular one. and the symptoms of the virus were present already.
so she bought another $600 computer, and still didnt buy any antivirus protection for it, sigh.
i dont know, on one hand if they dont offer protection they might loose customers who wont reformat, but if they do it costs more for everyone. so expect to see more firewalls/antivirus from isps soon. |
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rtoday
join:2000-11-05
California
| Another View
"... even adding on additional features for a slightly bumped up monthly fee."
Nonsense. IMHO, the service provider has the obligation to provide at least some level of protection. It's great sport to call the general user "uninformed" or "lazy." The reality is that the majority seem to be "underinformed" by their OS and/or ISP vendor in whom the general public has a right to place their faith.
Those who claim that people who aren't technologically sophisticated shouldn't buy computers are missing the point. The personal computer has become an appliance! It needs as much engineering and manufacturing effort put into consumer protection as other appliances we've come to trust.
Now, I'm not a big government advocate. However, consider that waves of fraud, abuse, and deficient or dangerous products have caused agencies such as CPA to intervene. Standards, laws, and even penalties are applied to other manufactured goods when they fail to perform or are injurious to the public. Why not to manufactured goods such as software and to services such as ISP's? Tort is not restricted to physical injury alone.
Imagine this ... "Recall ordered of MS Windows version 291.5" or "Acme ISP fined $1 million for fraud and deceptive business practices."
[text was edited by author 2003-08-14 12:17:24] |
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
Premium
join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA | reply to Maxo
Re: SBC
Great. So, they roll in charges for PC stuff, even if you aren't using a PC. How nice of them.
-tom
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to rtoday
Re: Another View
said by rtoday :
Nonsense. IMHO, the service provider has the obligation to provide at least some level of protection. It's great sport to call the general user "uninformed" or "lazy." The reality is that the majority seem to be "underinformed" by their OS and/or ISP vendor in whom the general public has a right to place their faith.
Great idea.
However if most users were better informed by their OS or provider they would complain about the OS or provider as being hard to work with, or more likely would ignore the information. (Which appears to be the case with home users of windows XP which by default nags them to get updates...) |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| reply to nixen
Re: SBC
said by nixen :
Great. So, they roll in charges for PC stuff, even if you aren't using a PC. How nice of them.
-tom
What charges are you reffering to? They are both free and are both optional.
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"Knowhutimean, Vern?" - Ernest P. Worrell »www.maxolasersquad.com |
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Asshat35
join:2002-11-14
Fitchburg, MA
| Help, Help, I'm being repressed.
It's a tough issue. As a power user I don't want my ISP restricting my ports/access in/out to the world. I do think that they COULD help the "mom & pop" users by offering an enhanced security mode. Wherein the ISP would lock down everything coming in (no diff than typical firewall). Mom and Pop are NOT gamers, file traders, etc... It leaves us alone to fend for ourselves and implement personal security and keeps those less knowledgeable out of trouble.
My problem with that thought is that once you give someone (isp in this case) an entry point towards restricting content (port blocking) they might start doing it for everyone w/o notice and possibly w/o anyway to opt out of that.
Just some random thoughts. |
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sherpaboy
join:2001-07-06
Seattle, WA | reply to rtoday
Re: Another View
So does this mean that Anheuser-Busch should be held accountable for X percent of all alcohol related auto accidents? |
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RipRap
Bmw Power
join:2000-08-24
Berlin, CT
clubs:
|  said by sherpaboy :
So does this mean that Anheuser-Busch should be held accountable for X percent of all alcohol related auto accidents?
I agree! Same logic. X=100.
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The world holds two classes of men: intelligent men without religion, and religious men without intelligence. |
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XSF
join:2001-03-25
Toronto, ON | reply to reub2000
Re: The isps need to block by default.
O/Ses, particularly MS, should have Antivirus software installed by default. |
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trisomy
Premium
join:2002-05-23
Houston, TX
| reply to rtoday
Re: Another View
IMHO we should place responsibility on the drivers traversing the information superhighway rather than toll gate providers replete with the requirement of age, tests of visual acuity and familiarity with the principles of their intended activity. Absent such I would suggest that ISP's be granted the Charter from State Insurance Agency's which enables them to sell personal (or more appropriately personal computer) liability insurance or we could simply continue along in our vicious game of "Dodge'M". In any case because people have been allowed to buy toasters shouldn't obligate Wonder Bread et. al. to guarantee that it's (the toast) the 'right color'!
Lastly, I am writing from the Lone Star State but have thrown my sombrero (or Stetson) in the ring for Govenor of California...if you agree with my opinion please support me during the upcoming election. Thank you! |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to reub2000
Re: The isps need to block by default.
I disagree. ISPs shouldn't block ports unless a particular virus/worm is affecting their network's viability. In these cases, it should be a temporary block that's removed after the storm.
If ISP's start blocking known worm/virus ports, where does it end? They'll be constantly chasing new virus. Plus, if they become involved in preventing a virus from spreading, they may be partially liable or responsible if they don't stop future attacks. |
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reub2000
Premium
join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL
| I don't think the isp should be liable for virus attacks, but they could sheild n00bs. And if you use more than aim and e-mail, you could ask them to not block any ports.
quote:
If ISP's start blocking known worm/virus ports, where does it end? They'll be constantly chasing new virus.
That's because there only blocking known viri under ur idea. |
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