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Mount Airy, MD | Re: Ooops said by jose3030:
Is that what that plug did?
I wonder if power plants have a real "Homer Simpson" award for stuff like this!
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Salisbury, MD | riaa at it again Its amazing what the riaa will do to stop p2p. | |
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| | | Re: riaa at it again said by Mellow:
Its amazing what the riaa will do to stop p2p.
ROTFLMAO. | |
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Atlantic, IA | Re: riaa at it again said by BIGHUSKER:
ROTFLMAO.
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Well gotta blame someone. Really can't blame a lightning strike on a sunny day with blue skies now can we?
WELL GUESS WHAT ??? they are!!!!!!! LOL | |
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Piscataway, NJ | I'm seeing it first hand On the way home I saw black smoke coming from Staten Island, NY (ConEd) and Linden, NJ (PSE&G). As it turns out, both power plants are on fire. Ironically I saw the smoke as I drove past the Sewaren, NJ (PSE&G) plant which is about a mile from my house. The SI and Linden plants are both about 7 miles from my house. We've been getting all kinds of brownouts every few minutes or so.
I heard on the radio that EWR, LGA and JFK airports were closed. I looked in the sky by my house (right under the EWR flight path) and the plans were flying like there's nothing wrong. I later learned that the 3 airports are open and running on backup power.
Makes me glad that my flight out of Newark isn't until next week!
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| Re: I'm seeing it first hand No, the plants are not on fire. The Niagara power grid tripped off for some reason and that prompted power cascade. When that happens, the Con Ed plants trip off. The breakers have not been used in a long time and any debris or whatever would probably catch fire from the arc when they trip. The stacks exhaust the flame and smoke.
IIRC, the Niagara system was the same one that was responsible for the outage in 1965 when a relay tripped out. It was supposed to have been reset in 1963 to accept a higher current level but never was adjusted.
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Nutley, NJ | Re: I'm seeing it first hand said by mikepd:
No, the plants are not on fire. The Niagara power grid tripped off for some reason and that prompted power cascade. When that happens, the Con Ed plants trip off. The breakers have not been used in a long time and any debris or whatever would probably catch fire from the arc when they trip. The stacks exhaust the flame and smoke.
IIRC, the Niagara system was the same one that was responsible for the outage in 1965 when a relay tripped out. It was supposed to have been reset in 1963 to accept a higher current level but never was adjusted.
Kinda funny if you see smoke and the 'news' says there is no fire....
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Piscataway, NJ | said by mikepd:
No, the plants are not on fire.
There's flames coming from the plant in Linden as well as huge, black, billowing smoke. | |
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Yesterday | Re: I'm seeing it first hand said by mbernste:
said by mikepd:
No, the plants are not on fire.
There's flames coming from the plant in Linden as well as huge, black, billowing smoke.
They showed a helo shot of a plant in NY/NJ area with flames shooting out of the stacks and huge black clouds of billowing smoke. Still doesn't mean there ISN'T a fire a guess.
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| |  sadowskiI Am My Own DoppelgangerPremium,MVM
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Buffalo, NY | said by mikepd:
No, the plants are not on fire. The Niagara power grid tripped off for some reason and that prompted power cascade. When that happens
What is your source for this? Niagara Mohawk is saying that they don't know what the cause is, so is NYSEG.
Some lady called in a local TV station said she heard noises coming from a NM plant and now I'm hearing all sorts of strange things like one radio caller claiming there was an explosion there.
The only NM problem I know of is that some stations along the grid are shutting down which results in blackouts here.
I still have power (obviously) in North-West Cheektowaga.
Btw, someone as I write this says the source may be in Ottawa. Who knows.
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Chatham, IL | Re: I'm seeing it first hand The source is CNN and the New York city government. The New York mayor just explained all this on CNN just now. | |
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| | | | said by mikepd:
IIRC, the Niagara system was the same one that was responsible for the outage in 1965 when a relay tripped out. It was supposed to have been reset in 1963 to accept a higher current level but never was adjusted.
This is funny too because I remember watching a series on TLC (I think) a few months ago that was about the 1965 outage.
I remember a spokes person from ConEd said that it was something that will never happen again...
Amazing on how insecure our power grid really is.
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| | | | Pretty Good...Niagara did trip and caused a cascade. But if you all are curious why it cascades:
They have switches that act as flow meters (if you will). If so-and-so plant is selling, say, 25MW then the switch station limits a one-way out put with a peak of 25MW and so on. Now let's say the one selling the 25MW of power goes down...now the smaller hubs start feeding in that direction. The "flow meters" don't like this cause they see xMW going the wrong direction and don't allow power to that grid. =black out.
The brown outs are all these plants switching, comming on, synching, paralleling, and all that good stuff.
Smoke CAN be normal on fast shut downs, and fire is also possible. But I can only assume from where I'm sitting that the smoke is from the hard shut down.
Hopefully this hits everyone's curiosity:)
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The brown outs are all these plants switching, comming on, synching, paralleling, and all that good stuff.
Cool.. networking electricity
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Chatham, IL | "As it turns out, both power plants are on fire."
I think this was covered already. But CNN says that this was exactly what the plants were supposed to do when there shut down. | |
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Piscataway, NJ | Power is coming back from the north and the west according to Mayor Bloomberg of NY. He expects it to take hours, not minutes for it to come back in New York. | |
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Buffalo, NY | Re: I'm seeing it first hand Well, now they are saying a lightening strike in Canada. | |
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| | | Some of the shots you see of 'flames shooting out of the stacks' are refineries burning off natural gas. Perfectly normal. But it makes good pictures for foolish newspeople. | |
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Nutley, NJ | Dang it MSBLAST made it to the power grid... 
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kudos:4 | Re: Dang it as brentsline said, To many Comcast script readers saying "power cycle your modem" at the SAME TIME.
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Woot Woot - Google News picked up this thread!!
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Yesterday | Re: About 10 related stories here That would definitely explain the 'rolling' aspect of the outage. If true, I expect Niagara Mohawk will have a few IT openings soon.
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| | | Hmm. Time for Apple to roll out iPower and (for larger grids) Power Cut Pro. Err, maybe a different name for that last one | |
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Chatham, IL | CNN stated about an hour ago that sources don't think the worm was the cause. I'm sure it'll take a bit to investigate before the true cause is known. | |
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kudos:4 | i seriously doubt it was the worm, and i'm almost willing to bet money on it. think about it. If it was the worm, we'd all be in the dark right now. makes no sense, the virus wasn't that destructive.... | |
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Urbanna, VA | Re: About 10 related stories here said by pcdebb:
i seriously doubt it was the worm, and i'm almost willing to bet money on it. think about it. If it was the worm, we'd all be in the dark right now. makes no sense, the virus wasn't that destructive....
Well, you might be right... Then again, you probably aren't right.
Here is why. Suppose you are a community college in Virginia and you have 300 Microsux PC's on your only connection to the Internet. On that connection there are mission critical data streams (tele-video classes) and non-mission critical data streams (the kids in the library)...
Suppose the above...
NOW SUPPOSE that 250 of 300 of those PC systems gets this wrom in the period of say 20 minutes... and suppose that everyone of those PCs goes out on your connection to the Internet in search of a new victim... suppose that they are all scanning with their 100 MBit cards thru your 45 MBit gateway to find a new victim...
GUESS WHAT??? Your 45 MBit gateway router is NOW TOTALLY SWAMPED.... It is now trying to move 2 GBits of traffic thru a 0.045 GBit pipe!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
That is pretty much what we call ugly, in the networking industry...
Ok... Now let us suppose you are a power plant with a 45 MBit connection to the Internet and the router you are using also has a 1 GBit connection to a PRIVATE NETWORK over which you are moving mission critical information...
Suppose those 200 PCs just got that worm and are now scanning the Internet for new victims... GUESS WHAT????????????? Your Cisco is overloaded... It can't process the traffic fast enough and you STILL HAVE LATENCY EVEN THOUGH YOUR GBit private network is not overloaded.......................................................
So yes, it could be the worm... and yes, I'll take that bet.
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Glendale, AZ | Where is BPL now??? I read that they are also having massive communications problems there. Looks like HAM Radio will be called upon again...
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| | Keep in mind nothing has been confirmed... All the reasons for it being out are just reports, other than the fact that the power is out nothing is confirmed.
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Niagara Falls, ON | Re: Keep in mind nothing has been confirmed... Niagara Falls, ON right now is one of the only cities in the entire region that still has full power. | |
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Buffalo, NY | Re: Keep in mind nothing has been confirmed... I'm hearing the whole Niagara region (Canadian side) has power. Once you start moving up things get lousy, or so I hear. | |
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Niagara Falls, ON | Re: Keep in mind nothing has been confirmed... said by sadowski:
I'm hearing the whole Niagara region (Canadian side) has power. Once you start moving up things get lousy, or so I hear.
Right now all of Niagara does, but only have of the region managed to stay online. I've posted it a few times before, but what happened was a tech at Sir Adam Beck Generating Station in Niagara Falls saw the cascade failure ocurring and managed to pull Niagara Falls and portions of other cities (about a quarter of St. Catharines, half of Welland, most of Fort Erie and Niagara-on-the-Lake) off the main North American grid and instead act as a little 'Power Island' while everywhere else went dark. The American side of the Niagara River remained dark while everything from St. Catharines westward was dark too.
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I am scared to think that the power grid is supported by Microsoft...I would have hoped that it would be some private OS.
I guess we can say that the North-East got a big blue screen of death...
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Methuen, MA | Re: Virus? LOL.... LMAO.. This is crazy how much we depend on power! I feel very bad for those people that are stuck in the middle of this w/out knowing how they are going home tonight, it's 6:30 here starting to get dark imagine how many people are hours away from home right now. I live in Mass. & we are fine over here, we just had the governor on t.v. explaining why Mass. power didn't go out! All we can hope is that people do not get hurt & they fix the problem as soon as possible. | |
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Racine, WI | Now thats funny! A windows virus taking down the power in a large portion of the north east. Who would have thought? | |
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| | Can U say alternative power? Looks like alternative power will get a boost from this. Having Fuel Cell backups in your home, etc.
One can hope anyway. | |
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| | | Re: Can U say alternative power? Heck...I'd rather just have the fuel cell for every day power. | |
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Worcester, MA | Re: Can U say alternative power? watch the home generator sales at your local home depot shoot through the roof............
opps that's right  i already have one .........mmuaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!
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Atlantic, IA | Re: Can U say alternative power? said by davem3:
watch the home generator sales at your local home depot shoot through the roof............
They made me fire up ours at work today, I said "hey we just tested it Monday, like we do every Monday" and the reply was leave it on for a few hours.
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| | Fragile communications infrastructure With power out in many areas our fragile communications infrastructure is brought to its knees. The only service that can provide communications both locally and over long distance is the Amateur Radio Service (Hams). Every year 35,000 people set up amateur stations under emergency conditions and operate them for 24 hours. Not only are these people experienced operators, if their equipment breaks they can repair it on the spot and adapt to different conditions.
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