Peter Griffin
@verizon.ne | Damn
Needs more work! |
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n2jtx
join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY
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|  Good luck rural hopefuls
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According to a company exec, speaking to the Register, Southern Electric needs around 50 subscribers per substation to make it worth their while financially.
Well if PLC does get approved by the FCC (is there any doubt really?) and the same economics play out, all those people in the rural areas hoping to get broadband will probably be out of luck. I am sure the power companies are going to cherry pick the high density areas and let the outer areas go unserved. I am curious if they really mean 50 subscribers to a substation or 50 subscribers to a node. |
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DaMaGeINC
The Lan Man
Premium
join:2002-06-08
Greenville, SC
clubs: | I dont know much.
But, doesent PLC seem like their would be alot of interfearence on the line, and would make data have alot of errors. I dont see this as being a smart soultion for people that need dedicated "clean" lines. |
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Thrawn2
Grand Admiral Thrawn
Premium
join:2001-04-09
Davenport, IA
 ·Qwest.net
| SOUNDS like a deal.
Depending on pings which i have no clue what they would look like. I would pay 50 for 1000/1000 hell i was paying 50 for 1100/80
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bluesun
join:2003-08-14
Hughson, CA |  OH YAH
Sounds like a grate theory, but needs some bugs worked out |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
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·Vonage
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Re: SOUNDS like a deal.
said by Thrawn2  :
Depending on pings which i have no clue what they would look like. I would pay 50 for 1000/1000 hell i was paying 50 for 1100/80
But bet your bottom dollar that the reason you're getting so little speed is because of political reasons, and not technological reasons.
Present technologies (DSL, DOCSIS, WISP, FTTH) are capable of much more than the ISP's are willing to sell you. BPL is never going to solve that problem. |
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Eat Me
join:2002-09-25
Sussex, NJ
·PenTeleData
·Future Nine Corpor..
·VOIPo
·Vonage
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Re: Good luck rural hopefuls
You mean these economics:
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According to a company exec, speaking to the Register, Southern Electric needs around 50 subscribers per substation to make it worth their while financially.
Absolutely. Most rural users will be stuck with satellite or wi-fi for some time to come, until FTTH hits the scene. And even then, I don't see telco's running fiber to serve five customers out in the boonies. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to Peter Griffin
Superconducting Wire for BPL?
After the New York power outage there is more talk about implementing superconducting wire to lessen the load on power grids. Anyone care to speculate how that might affect BPL? |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| 1Mbit BPL claim is pure fantasy
The 1Mbit claim is pure fantasy, for the reality, check the Southeast Missourian report on the Cape Girardeau BPL trial.
"It's working out to be about five to 10 times faster than what people are getting with dial-up."
5 to 10 times dial-up is 250K to 500K assuming 50K dial up speed.
Does 250K really qualify as broadband?
In the European trials, speeds of 360K have been reported.
If the carefully crafted demonstrations of BPL are so slow, what hope for a mass rollout? |
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N0JCG
join:2003-07-18
Minneapolis, MN | reply to DaMaGeINC
Re: I dont know much.
Yea, like hospitals. See; »gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···14284902 |
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Microhard3
join:2001-08-03
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to ronpin
Re: Superconducting Wire for BPL?
Or better yet how much will this cost? |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
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Well if you are going to replace wires, run fiber at the same time. More bandwidth than you can imagine, and no pollution.
Not sure how you would string a superconducting cable on power poles. Guess the idea came out of the BPL group (about the same amount of sense). |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| reply to Microhard3
said by Microhard3 :
Or better yet how much will this cost?
Easy answer, the consumer gets to pay!!!
[text was edited by author 2003-08-22 12:44:16] |
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AthlGrond
Premium,MVM
join:2002-04-25
Aurora, CO
·Comcast
| reply to ronpin
said by ronpin :
After the New York power outage there is more talk about implementing superconducting wire to lessen the load on power grids. Anyone care to speculate how that might affect BPL?
Since superconducting wire capable of carrying those high of loads over those great of distances does not exist (let alone superconducting wire that functions at temperatures found in the habitable portions of the earth) it will not affect it at all.  |
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N0JCG
join:2003-07-18
Minneapolis, MN
| Not just hams
Amateur radio occupies just a tiny fraction of the frequencies at stake. There are many other stakeholders that the general public doesn't know about;
Such as the airlines
»svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/re···14683399
Medical device manufacturers
»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···14284902
The NTIA, which manages over 18000 frequency assignments to the federal government
in the affected frequency spectrum
»www.ntia.doc.gov/ntiahome/fccfil···2003.htm
Television
»svartifoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/re···14683321
And one I never thought of;
Aircraft security and land mine detection
»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···14683640
The list goes on and on, and it's still growing
This thing has spilled WELL beyond ham radio. We were only the "canary in the
mine". The FCC may have some serious explaining to do for even considering this thing! |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| BPL - creates problems for airline security
H.F. frequencies are used for many diverse applications, one of which is the detection of explosives in airline baggage.
QM, a division of Invision Technology who manufactures the explosive detector equipment for the screening of baggage at EVERY US airport comments;
“Elevated HF RF noise of more than 10dB above noise at some specific frequencies (which cannot be changed as they are determined by the physical nature of the explosive materials being scanned for) would render the equipment useless.”
They also make land mine detectors, which would also be similarly affected by an increased HF noise floor. Land mine detector training by Army and Marine Corps personnel could be at issue.
Details are here
»gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retr···14683640 |
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David95037
join:2003-04-16
Morgan Hill, CA
·Be There
| reply to N0JCG
Re: Not just hams
A few minutes with Google shows all of the problems Europe had with this broken technology. Well documented by German hams in particular.
When the FCC is managed by lawyers and not engineers stupid ideas like BPL get seen as great ideas. There are many other FCC mistakes such as the 800MHz Nextel / public safely issues that have created many communication problems for our Fire and Police Officers. |
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to Eat Me
Re: Good luck rural hopefuls
Before Comcast, I had 2 Wi-Fi providers (I still have 1) and they provide great service at comparable prices to Comcast. I think Wi-Fi is still a real solution to rural BB. It's cheap to deploy and very reliable (at least it was for me).
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
Premium
join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| BPL creates more problems than it solves
There are still no standards and huge technological hurtles to overcome. And after years of development what would we end up with...something that is no better than today's DSL or cable offerings. And of course 5 years from now, cable and DSL will just be that much better.
The key is deployment of CURRENT proven technologies like xDSL, cable and WISP. For most rural communities WISP offers a real broadband (low latency high through-put) alternative. It's very cheap to deploy and very reliable (as least the 2 that I've used are). For those where WISP isn't realistic in it's current form (mountains, forest areas) NLOS is a viable emerging technology that frankly I would like to see more articles on.
BPL just creates more trouble than it's worth.
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| reply to David95037
Re: 1Mbit BPL claim is pure fantasy
I really think the blackout of 2003 has gone along way to killing BPL. If, as the pundits say, we have a 3rd world
power distribution system I really don't see how these same utilities will be able to justify the high cost of BPL.
it will be even harder to dismiss interference to Amateur radio after their performance during the emergency..
"It seems that the amateurs were better prepared than the government sector," he said. "Amateurs in this area were up and on the air before there was any response from local government." Davis said Rensselaer County EC and Chief RACES Officer Jim Noble, K2ZP, activated ARES and mustered a net on the Troy Radio Club RACES repeater, requesting stations to standby and monitor the frequency for updates."
»www.arrl.org/news/stories/2003/0···03/?nc=1
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