drew
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| Steam(ing) pile of...
that's what I thought when I was trying to download it and get it running with everyone else.
I was one of those who got an early client (leaked) via IRC and got my game installed/downloaded incredibly smoothly.
The system was buggy and I was having other problems (not Steam/VAVLe's fault) so I ended up deciding to re-install Steam. Big mistake. By this time, everyone was trying to update their clients and download the newest edition of CS.
After I got a link to a .torrent of the 354(I think)mb installer, I've had smooth sailing ever since.
Steam has a lot of potential as a broadband release platform. They just need to have the bandwidth to back it up.
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mrchris
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1) I cannot use custom sounds or models with HL or my HL-based mods UNLESS I unpack my custom pak files to subdirectories in my games' steam folders, which I find to be time consuming and waste of space.
2) Steam breaks several mods (Sven Co-op, Natural Selection, etc) which crash when you try loading them via Steam. I still play Sven Co-op through traditional HL without Steam (1.1.1.0 version, which is compatible with SC)
Steam is a good idea, but it causes more problems then good among the majority using it.
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| Better methods are out there
Valve should adopt bittorrent, or something similar, for their broadband distribution. With a 750mbps connection initially seeding the file, then clients uploading the parts they have and eventually becoming a seed themselves for a while, the distribution would go a lot smoother IMO and the effective bandwidth would be huge. With the community that Valve has, bittorrent would give the users a chance to give back and get the file quicker.
It's a shame that bittorrent is seen as just a p2p tool to infringe copyrights and not an efficient distribution method. Because no matter what size pipe you have, if enough people try to download a file, it is going to choke. Or you can pay whatever ridiculous amount places like fileplanet are charging.
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technick
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| Screw Steam
I bet that happy folks over at steam don't come out and tell you that they are cataloging every thing on your hard drives do they?
»www.planetmayhem.org/modules/new···oryid=56
This is scary, steam needs to be stopped, and shut down if this is the way they will conduct business.
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Jaime
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|  More bandwidth
I'm guessing Steam/Valve will need at least 1.5gbps to satisfy the updating that tens of thousands of Half life fans. I, too, got the client before many and have only had a few glitches, fatal errors, but I got errors with HL minus Steam, all in all I think it's pretty good.
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| well
would try to think of something witty and thoughtful to add to this thread.
But, I cant think of anything except, VALVE YOU SUCK. I am so tired of these release and patch business models that I could puke.
Way to drop the ball. Not only could you not supply the content, but your sorry excuse of a full install release was/is so buggy, tons of people are deleting this crapware as I type this.
Maybe version 1.8 will work, who knows. But Im not wasting my time on this 1.6 anymore.
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mrchris
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Re: Screw Steam
Havn't you been paying attention to the news? Steam isn't gathering information on your stuff! It's simply the way that FAT32 file systems work when you create a new file but don't write anything in it. What was on your drive before will end up in the new "empty" file. |
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LogicET
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Re: Steam(ing) pile of...
I wonder why they don't use bit torrent themselves. Why pay 20k/month for that 700Mb pipe when you can torrent it? I doubt users would even know the difference. |
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technick
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Re: Screw Steam
Different Article
»www.planetmayhem.org/modules/new···oryid=61 |
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Jaime
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Huntington Beach, CA | reply to technick
Heh, I like the source of the article. Cheaters whining, boohoo..
Sources:
] OGC Forums
] LanceVorgin, PharLap, Joolz, and coax for all the information above |
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mrchris
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|  To clear out rumors...
Kamakiri mailed Valve's Gabe Newell about those "pay to play" rumors, and received the following response (We at Half-Life Source has confirmed this as legit):
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As I'm sure you are aware the HL2 community is going crazy with the rumour that HL2 is going to be like a MMORPG and you will have to pay a fee each month via Steam to play HL2 multiplayer.
I don't believe this to be true but can you please put it to rest once and for all. PLEEEEEEASE.
Gabe Newell: Here's my current thinking: Some people want to buy Half-Life 2 in a store. Right now we have three SKUs planned at three price points. One will have single-player only and not play MODs and we think of that as the mass market SKU (sold mainly at the Costcos and Walmarts of the world). The second is our traditional single-player plus multiplayer SKU that runs MODs and is sold at places like EBX. The third is the collector's edition SKU with lots of cool bonus stuff for people who like cool bonus stuff.
In the Steam world, some people will want to buy it once, like the middle SKU above. Other people will want to buy the game on subscription (e.g. $9.95/month). The good news for the "buy it once" crowd is, well, they only have to pay once. The bad news is that when we come out with new content (expansion products, TF 2, and presumably other games) then they have to pay separately for those. We're pretty sure that the $9.95 guys are going to get the better value, as we've been pretty good over the years at generating a lot of content.
Now nobody has done this before, so we're scratching our heads and massaging the plans to make sure we've got the best set of options. We've had some feedback that we should sell the top SKU (single-player only no MODs) on Steam, and my reaction has been "yeah, right, for the three people in the world who have a broadband connection, are sophisticated enough to purchase software over the Internet, but DON'T want to play MODs and multiplayer". Some people have said "I want a subscription, but I think the box and the manual are cool, so what about sending me those" and I think that's pretty interesting and we're trying to figure out what to do for them (needless to say Sierra isn't exactly jumping for joy at the idea of selling us boxes so people don't buy Half-Life 2 in stores).
But nowhere has there been a suggestion that people pay in the store and then pay a monthly fee on top of that a la the MMORPG.
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And Gabe makes this follow-up response in this forum thread:
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The various SKUs will be available at the other stores. It's just how we think of them (we think of the lowest price one as the "Walmart" SKU even though Walmart will probably be the biggest single seller of all three SKUs given their volume).
TF2 isn't a MOD, correct. However the subscription will be for anything we make. So when TF2 ships, the subscribers get it as part of their subscription.
We've been talking with retailers about the retail SKUs for a long time. Steam pricing was what I was trying to explain. Steam options seemed to require an explanation of the retail SKUs.
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technick
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Re: Screw Steam
Cheaters? I am not familiar with OGC or the others? Cheater Clans? |
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Jaime
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Huntington Beach, CA | OGC, accronym for Online Game Cheats. |
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devrandom
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| Pulled hair
I've been pulling around Steam for awhile now, and the thing (only with me for some reason) is riddled with display errors..If I could take a screen shot for you of how horrible looking at the first letter of every button, menu, and such looked like..i'm sure you would have a headache similar to mine as of now..
We all know Karl wrote this article because he had the same frustration  Right Karl? Hehehe.
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Jaime
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Re: Steam(ing) pile of...
said by LogicET:
I wonder why they don't use bit torrent themselves. Why pay 20k/month for that 700Mb pipe when you can torrent it? I doubt users would even know the difference.
Because Valve wants to control what content each person gets, that's the whole point of Steam distribution. Your client, and only your client can get updates/new games if you pay for them over the internet and such. If they go the way of BT than they don't control the content.
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gaforces
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Ran the beta fine, am having a lot of trouble with this retail ver1. Gets my vote as Worst Pos Software for 2003.
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Jaime
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Re: Didn't I just
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ThirdShifter
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This suppose to be a praise news. I had no problem what so ever installing/using it.
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| Horrible
This Steam rollout has been the worse experience (as far as updating any type of software is concerned) I have ever had. Very frustrating and it never went smoothly.
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