Straphanger
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| Do not spam list?
They actually want this? There's no way for this list to be enforced properly and spammers will probably find a way to get access to the list and get legit email addresses.
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vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD | Bwahaha
Yeah uhhuh, whats next, do not hijack list? |
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Lord Pancake
join:2003-09-30
West Milton, OH | Good Call Senator!
"Senator Chuck Schumer continues to pitch his "Do Not Spam" list idea, despite one glaring problem; it probably won't work and could make the spam problem worse."
Senator Chuck Schumer is an idiot. How can Spam get any worse? |
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JJV
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join:2001-04-25
Seattle, WA
clubs: |  Spammers would love it!
Imagine a valid email list of the whole USA. They would love to get their hands on it and start spamming away. |
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statemachine
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join:2001-01-21
Si Valley
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Re: Do not spam list?
Agreed. What about off-shore spammers? At least off-shore tele-marketing companies would have to pay for the phone call. |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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| GASP, a Spam list..
These spammers already send mail illegally what makes anyone think they will follow the list.
I wish there was a way but there isn't.
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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|  I would think a cool way for this to work. would be to put a bunch of fake honeypot e-mails in the list..
when the honeypot detects 3 or more of these fake emails getting spammed BAM the news it out the spammer is using the antispam list.
Pop servers could be notified to ignore these?
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Beeper
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Dayton, OH
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| reply to Straphanger
Re: Do not spam list?
said by Straphanger  :
They actually want this? There's no way for this list to be enforced properly and spammers will probably find a way to get access to the list and get legit email addresses.
Proper enforcement is not relevant. Fixing the problem isn't either.
Sen. Chuck Schumer wants very much to beat Rudy Giuliani in 2004. What's relevant then is that Senator Schumer wants an initiative that he's associated with for campaign commercials next year.
Any spam reduction would be a happy by-product.
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CyberSchnook3
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said by Straphanger :
...spammers will probably find a way to get access to the list and get legit email addresses.
Find a way?
The idea is to GIVE them the list so they know who not to spam.
Another wonder from Sen. Dummphuk.
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Karl Bode
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Re: GASP, a Spam list..
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when the honeypot detects 3 or more of these fake emails getting spammed BAM the news it out the spammer is using the antispam list.
Then what do you do to stop it? Send them a nasty letter? We're right back where we started....looking for a technical solution..... |
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l33t
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join:2003-01-23
Indianapolis, IN
clubs: | No Spam?????? Hotmail will cost more.
Even though we won't have spam Hotmail will probably cost money because Hotmail always has spam when you first sign up.
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photoguy83
join:2003-09-12
Austin, TX
| reply to Straphanger
Re: Do not spam list?
The real way to stop spam, or at least the growth of spam is to boycott corporations that use spam. I get spam from Target and 1-800-Flowers all the time. I sure as hell am never buying from them. There is no way to boycott E-Businesses because there are too many of them. The true reason spam keeps it's strength and intensity is because dumb people keep purchasing the products that are advertised in the spam message. If you know someone who bought the penis enlargement pills or refinanced their home, punch 'em in the face. The best way to combat spam is to get a spam filter like SpamBayes. |
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keyboard5684
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| reply to Beeper
Politicians attempting to do something that many technical geniuses have not accomplished. It is sometimes shocking what someone will attempt to pretend they are accomplishing when trying to get elected.
In many cases spam can actually contain illegal products like "give me your bank account number so I can give you money" or "buy drugs online". If these spammers are not concerned with US laws to begin with how does the logic of giving them a list with tons of valid email addresses and telling them "do not send spam to any of these people or you will get in big trouble".
The spam problem, like many other problems with the internet, has a technical solution not a legal one.
BTW, I signed up for the do not call list when it first came out meaning I should not get telemarketing calls after October 1st, is that right? Yet I still get telemarketing calls. Time will tell with the do not call list I guess. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to Straphanger
Ditto...this will be nothing more than a free list for rat-bastard spammers.
The only way to stop spammers is to stop those who are paying them by going after the merchants who hire them.
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ikarus1
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join:2002-10-23
Urbanna, VA
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: GASP, a Spam list..
otay... here's your technical solution...
1) seed the list with false addresses.
2) set up a mail server which supports those addresses.
3) write software on it to alert the Operators that someone is hammering addresses from the list.
4) give those Operators permission to hack and rm -rf / the offending server, after they crack it.
Problem solved, repeat as necessary.
The problems with legality be damned. If spammers can hide behind international boundaries then let the folks who need to stop this crap hide behind the same boundaries...
Neither spammers, nor the enforcement community yet understand the implications of the problem. So let me enlighten everyone...
SPAM is something to anyone who wants to sell something illegal somewhere on the Internet. From offers to illicit perscriptions to drugs, to offers for local illicit sex, spam has it all. What you folks do not see, or understand is that spam is a means of illicit communication, anyone got one of those:
From: owijrnfd@swolsoinf.rlsdfi
To: sliorjwern@woeirnd.islr
Subj: ow8o0wjorhf
Text:
a;ldrei lwierneing lwirhsldifndgkleij kdir kslirndm
lwkefjhi ioeifnsl ienf
nlsdir]
messages yet? WELL WHAT THE HELL DO YOU SUPPOSE THOSE ARE??? Even spammers, viruses, worms, and idiot crackers don't send stuff like that for NO reason... You *DON'T* suppose SPAM is a means for *COMMUNICATION* for some people do you? No, you wouldn't, I guess and I can understand that but I also understand the, "bandwidth be damned, I have to communicate this message", philosophy that comes with a brain and access to the Internet. »osiris.urbanna.net but then I was trained by professionals, who may yet GET it given time... enough said, perhaps they will find this.
End result???
Well, the end result is I personally have crackers hiding behind 80% spam levels, dropping trojans on my users, because they can. God knows what else I have hiding behind 150 dial up lines, 60 or 70 broadband users, and ... aw well whatever ...
What you do to stop it is TAKE THEM DOWN. *AND* while I am on a rant anyway... We.. The "US OF A" designed this damned network and in *MY* mind, we the "US of A" can do any damned thing we want with it... SO... if one or another three letter agency decided to write, say some counter-viruses, or counter-worms, I personally would have NO problem what-so-ever with it *BECAUSE* I'm tired of seeing my country trashed by a bunch of amature crackerz, who believe themselves capable of doing anything and besting anyone. Truth be known, I expect we can take the entire thing down, anytime we feel a real requirement.
So American crackerz, want to have some FUN? Kill a spamming host today. Thankz, your country will appreciate it.
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keyboard5684
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| reply to photoguy83
Re: Do not spam list?
Are you sure someone did not sign up for those?
I have never gotten spam from a decent company unless I bought something from them and agreed to accept emails from them.
I find it hard to believe that Target would do that, just blindly spam someone. |
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maartena
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Orange, CA
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| There has to be a contact somewhere....
When you receive spam, e.g. for Viagra type pills or such, there is ALWAYS some way to contact the spammer in case you would want to buy the product. A 1-800 number, a website which is registered somewhere, etc.
Even if the actual spammer cannot be caught because they scrambled the headers, faked the IP adresses etc, there has to be some point in time where MONEY transfers from the buyer to the seller. It is at that point where companies that HIRE spammers are most vulnarable, and it is THERE that you catch them.
If you can't get the actual spammer, get the people who HIRED the spammer to spam for them! Even if a bureau has to make one transaction in buying the product, and then cancelling the transaction. Most spammers are actually U.S. businesses selling stuff to U.S. customers.
Sue them!  |
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winterforge
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join:2000-07-23
Seattle, WA
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Oh my God, this would be like replying to every spammer there is to unsubscribe your e-mail. Are they stupid? LoL |
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iguana5
join:2003-10-15
San Jose, CA
| reply to ikarus1
Re: GASP, a Spam list..
This is perhaps the silliest thing I have ever seen. Who let this 12 year-old on the Internet?
The only means to stop spam is to pressure the
enforcement of network policy across the pond, especially in the Asian countries. Certain paranoid parties (for example, OpenBSD) simply refuse to carry packets from most
Asian networks because too high a percentage of these packets are abuse-oriented. I run a web hosting service,
and am forced to block packets from what I believe are
hostile networks, and this includes anything in APNIC.
(1) 3 Letter agencies do not care about SPAM, unless
you're talking about the FTC, and their enforcement
capabilities are pathetic at best. SPAM affects tech
business an annoys people, but the "Anti-spam" market
would die if something happened to SPAM tomorrow.
(2) Spam comes mainly from rooted boxes operating for
large spam companies, some of them in the US. "Cracking" these boxes will have no effect on the amount of spam sent out -- for every box you break into, the spammers themselves break into 10.
(3) There is really no technical skill involved in making
trojans. Find the vulnerability through which it will propagate, write the payload, add a touch of personalization, and you're done.
(4) There is no such thing as a "counter worm" or "counter virus". Where do you get these silly ideas?
If you want a violent solution, I highly recommend tracking down a single spammer, going to their place of residence and taking their first born child. Then tell them you will email him instructions on how to get his child back. Then proceed to send him 100000 emails about refinancing his penis. Then videotape the torture and brutal murder of his child, and mail it to him. That'll learn 'em. |
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SuperJudge
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| Good idea - Bad results.
'Twould be nice, if there was a governing body for the internet. But alas! No governing body, no police for the internet. No 'do not spam' list.
Good idea, bad results.
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