lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| Whats the difference...
between this and what MS was doing with IE?
I think it time for a good old fashioned monopoly whoopin by the courts.
Three years ago when I moved my voice line went dead on the scheduled day three days before the actual move. I still had DSL service for those three days, the DSL service wasn't cancelled until after I moved and called to have it cancelled.
For me the big question is why does it have to be tied to phone service at all?
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IronChefMoto
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join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA
| Same thing happened to friend of mine
A buddy of mine recently tried to switch from BellSouth local service in north Atlanta to another CLEC (no-name-brand) local service. He wanted to keep his BellSouth FastAccess DSL. He was told that he could if he switched to the CLEC. So, he did, BellSouth cut him off of their DSL, and he was without DSL for about a week. Eventually, he was told that, without several weeks and several faxes of signed documentation, he would not be able to use BellSouth FastAccess DSL with the new CLEC local service.
He's now paying, again, the same amount for his BellSouth local service that he would've paid for a CLEC that offered ALL the land line bells and whistles. At least he has his DSL back. It's a shame that the PSC here in Georgia didn't require the "dead wire" setup option for people who just want DSL and NO local phone service -- ILEC or CLEC. I'm not even sure that's technically possible. Someone chime in.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| Typical Telco market manipulation
This is no different than Comcast's crap charging a penalty for those who have the nerve to buy HSI without their blessed CATV.
This is nothing more than abusing their market position to force people to take products they don't want.
If their voice products were so great (which obviously they aren't) they would sell themselves. But since POTS sucks royal, they have to blackmail customers into paying for their overpriced crap.
Their voice products should be sold on its merit, not because they're holding users DSL lines hostage.
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youngmoore
join:2001-03-16
Marietta, GA
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| lets see here
"Instead of accepting the ruling and changing their tactics, BellSouth executives decided to threaten the state, saying they'd cease rural community DSL deployments; BellSouth's Louisiana President William Oliver warning at the time that BellSouth would "halt investment in its high-speed Internet network if the ruling is not changed."
Instead of just the custmore being held hostage it sounds like Bellsouth wants to the state/states hostage.
Alot of people don't want a dial tone period. Maybe they have a cell phone or VOIP,, all this from bellsouth just makes them look worse and worse.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to lesopp
Re: Whats the difference...
Because Microsoft didn't remove functionality of their software (it just broke on its own  ) if you installed Mozilla or Opera.
This is the whining telco babies taking their xDSL ball and going home if you don't bend over for their crappy service and high prices.
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visio
join:2001-08-29
Clifton, NJ
| Competition
Dont get me wrong, im all for competition, but i dont believe that if a company has invested so much of their own time and money into a technology, I dont see why they should be forced to share it. As well, the company DOES have a right as to who can and can't use their services. |
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matt380
Dangit, Bobby.
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join:2002-06-12
Kennesaw, GA
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| DSL vs. Cable summed up.
The above mentioned is the only reason i still have cable and not DSL. I do not desire to have a home tellephone number as my cell phone provides everything i need. I would prefer DSL due to congested cable networks in my area. But, to have DSL, I would have to have the most basic telephone package which is $30 a month. I'd rather save the $30 and deal with the slow connects in the afternoons.
I hope things will change someday and you can purchase DSL seperate from phone service. then, DSL, here I come!! |
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IronChefMoto
Premium
join:2001-02-08
Alpharetta, GA
| reply to visio
Re: Competition
said by visio  :
Dont get me wrong, im all for competition, but i dont believe that if a company has invested so much of their own time and money into a technology, I dont see why they should be forced to share it. As well, the company DOES have a right as to who can and can't use their services.
I have to agree, but I also wonder if the cost/benefit ratio is such that the ILECs wouldn't make money off the DSL contracts even if a CLEC was providing the local phone service. At least that's better than having the CLEC offer everything and leave you high and dry without a customer at all.
Again, I am also interested in knowing if DSL can be provided on a "dry wire" or whatever it's called -- where neither an ILEC nor a CLEC have local service on the line. ONLY DSL. THAT would be a neat provision to get from the GA PSC. Assuming it were technically feasible.
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| reply to visio
said by visio :
Dont get me wrong, im all for competition, but i dont believe that if a company has invested so much of their own time and money into a technology, I dont see why they should be forced to share it. As well, the company DOES have a right as to who can and can't use their services.
Because those companies ASKED for this arrangement, they were not forced into this at all. They traded access into LD for access to their lines. Not to mention that they are PAID for those lines as well. |
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morbo
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join:2002-01-22
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| reply to matt380
Re: DSL vs. Cable summed up.
said by matt380 :
But, to have DSL, I would have to have the most basic telephone package which is $30 a month. I'd rather save the $30 and deal with the slow connects in the afternoons.
$30 is not the most basic pkg. most basic package is a metered line for ~8-14 a month. |
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scott492002
join:2003-10-27
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Re: Typical Telco market manipulation
When was the last time any clec invested any money in the dsl network? As far as I'm concerned clecs are the parasite that was mentioned earlier. What other company subsidises (sp) their competitors? Would GM subsidise Yugo for example? I think not. Let the clecs buy their own dsl equip and quit sucking the life out of the bell companies. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to youngmoore
Re: lets see here
Yep and let them start returning the RUS money they've been collecting over the years, along with the back interest difference from their subsidized loans and while they're at it they can give back the grant money too.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to morbo
Re: DSL vs. Cable summed up.
Yeah tell that to Verizon who then wants more money for other non-services like the so-called regulatory recovery junk fees and the $1.50 a month just to keep your name out of their money tree phone directories.
Screw the telcos and their crap POTS. As for slow connections in the afternoons, I would take my 1.8Mb 24-7 Comcast service over my sub 500kbps (if I'm even that lucky) so-called 1.5Mb Verizon crap I have at my office any day of the week.
And in Kennesaw, GA, all I see in terms of speed is Bellsouth getting SMOKED by Comcast (who BTW just deployed their 3Mb standard service there). »/archive?zip=30152
»/archive?zip=30144
According to DSLR speed tests for the two Kennesaw zip codes, the slowest speed posts from Comcast are DOUBLE that of the fastest from Bellsouth.
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Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH
·EarthLink
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| Heard this before....
Haven't we heard this "threat" before ??
BellSouth's Louisiana President William Oliver warning at the time that BellSouth would "halt investment in its high-speed Internet network if the ruling is not changed." One good thing about this "policy" that the ILECs have is I get MCI, AT&T, and others off the phone much quicker when they want to sell me their local phone service. I say "I have DSL" and they know not to continue with their script. They jump to the section
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to scott492002
Re: Typical Telco market manipulation
What are you talking about? THEY PAY FOR THE ACCESS. Do you not watch cable? You don't see competitors channels being broadcast by the cable operators? What, is Cox Communications and Time Warner subsidizing Comcast because they carry the Comcast owned E! Entertainment Network?
What, is Fedex subsidizing the US Postal Service because the USPS uses Fedex planes to deliver air cargo?
What nonsense.
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| reply to morbo
Re: DSL vs. Cable summed up.
$29.94 here, for basic dial tone, pay per local call service. I have checked. The rates sound a lot lower, but when you add up all of the fees and taxes, that is what it comes up to. (and the only amount I give a rat's *ss about is what actually comes out of my pocket)
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Nightfall
My Goal Is To Deny Yours
Premium,MVM
join:2001-08-03
Grand Rapids, MI
 ·Site5.com
·AT&T Midwest
·Comcast
| The Bundling Arguement
This is like the Comcast cable and bundling disussion that happens here. Comcast charges $42.95 if you have basic cable OR $57.95 if you don't. I knew that my local phone provider had to be SBC if I wanted SBC Yahoo DSL. If I didn't have SBC, then I was out of luck.
I am not happy about these bundling issues, but I also realize they are the nature of the beast. Many companies bundle their services together from insurance to fast food to broadband. In order to get the lowest price then you have to purchase multiple services.
This SBC issue goes just a step further. If you don't have service A then you can't get service B. If you change service A then service B gets cut off. I feel SBC needs to come out and say you need SBC local service in order to get SBC DSL. I wondered this at one point in time, and I know others may be wondering the same thing. While I may not agree with it, I realize it is the way things are.
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Mellow
Premium
join:2001-11-16
Salisbury, MD | dry pair
It is possible to do dry pair runs. Verizon does it all the time if you have the sdsl equipment on both ends. They just dont want to do it for ppl not using their other services. Just like comcast. |
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godsmack
join:2003-06-08 |  reply to IronChefMoto
Re: Competition
Possible YES, Will all the bells offer it I doubt it..
Check this out about Bell south:
»Bellsouth: Provide DSL even if no Telephone Service |
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anamus
@mindspring.com
|  Yea, its always happinin
Gas prices shoot up and down due to corporate collusion that cant be legally proved. Especially when there is a little news from the Arabs. California residents were raped from the utility companies and noone has gotten a refund yet despite all the legal hoopla they say is going on. Big companies can afford to fight any law enforcement action till the tax money dries up so they continue in there crooked ways like the tobaco companyies did for decades. In the end only the lawyers get rich as we continue to be taxed dry to pay for all the losses we endure. Its next to hopeless. Thank god for p2p. Its my personal vengance. |
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