Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 |  Perhaps...
If the WCA is accurate, rural U.S. communities could turn to the temporary Iraqi government for a loan? Surely they wouldn't miss 1.4 billion?  |
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wtansill
Ncc1701
join:2000-10-10
Falls Church, VA
| said by Karl Bode  :
If the WCA is accurate, rural U.S. communities could turn to the temporary Iraqi government for a loan? Surely they wouldn't miss 1.4 billion?
Rural communities are already getting short shrift from the ILECS despite money coming in from "Universal Service Fees" included on every bill. Now this. Sad...
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Camelot One
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| Sure, who needs it?
Well sure we can trim some money here, after all, why should our tax paying farmers have broadband? I mean sure, US tax dollars have paid for broadband connections in middle east refugee camps, so that a couple geeks can write a virus ridden P2P app....but rural America just has no need for DSL.
/sarcasm off
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | sorry dude
that money is needed to pay for tax cuts for the rich and the iraqi war. Besides, it's obvious how this government feels about broadband - just look at the FCC's antics. |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA
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|  It's used for EX-SPANSION
I really hate to say this but I've just found out most of these communities that are getting rural broadband aren't getting a real unshared DSL link.
From what I understand the ISP I use is renting a T1 for this area and they have upward of 20 users on it. The USVC fund is going to the rental cost of this T1!
What I see here is a company not willing to make the CO DSL Complete instead they are hooking up a single T1 and putting multiple users on it. T1 is 1500/1500 in most cases DSL max is 1000/128. If you have 3 users online downloading at full bandwidth your downloads are 500/128. It works but the link is far from being DSL enabled.
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oliphant5
Got Identity?
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA | That's okay
Since the telco-shills claim that there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure. |
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GerryB
join:2003-03-16
Manchester Township, NJ | reply to Sarick
Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION
What? Every single consumer ISP in the world does this. |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| reply to oliphant5
Re: That's okay
said by oliphant5 :
Since the telco-shills claim that, after stealing it all for their own personal use, there is no government deployment money used to build infrastructure.
corrected |
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DonLibes
Premium,ExMod 2001
join:2003-01-19 | reply to nasadude
Re: sorry dude
A new line should appear shortly on your regular payroll statement:
Halliburton Tax $400.39 |
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dilettante
join:2002-01-01
Haslett, MI
| reply to GerryB
Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION
I think people get confused by the hype that xDSL offerings provide "unshared" facilities unlike cable-based systems. I never could see why users bought into that nonsense, as if their provider gave them a direct, unshared pipe to the Internet backbone.
The power of TLAs, I suppose. |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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| reply to oliphant5
Re: That's okay
Here we go again. Maybe you ought to look into this a little closer. I started to fill out the 70 page application, but became disheartened after reading the outrageous requirements. There is little encouragement for "true" rural deployment. The only ones getting money out of this are Mom and Pop's and co-op's (Small and mid size ILECs and FB-CLECs). You are partially correct that the money will not be used for its intended purpose. Most will roll out some sort of Pseudo Broadband and charge an outrageous fee for the privilege. Meanwhile people such as small WISPs, who can actually provide a decent bb service, are struggling to raise the capital to set up POPs. Either make the money obtainable by every true provider, or no provider.
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oliphant5
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Corona, CA | Doesn't change the fact that telcos still take taxpayer money for deployement. |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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Show us. |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| You say that every time, and I show you every time.
Here is a nice example $2.1 Billion: »Pennsylvania Showdown
»www.philly.com/mld/inquirer/5210654.htm
And another example, another $50 million:
»PA Broadband Debate Continues
Bookmark it this time and CC it to Boogie.
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA | reply to dilettante
Re: It's used for EX-SPANSION
That's what I was looking for, The ISP stated the hype you mentioned above.
-Kudos From Sarick.. |
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nunya
SEE ROCK CITY 475 MILES
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join:2000-12-23
O Fallon, MO
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Re: That's okay
"The expiring legislation, passed in 1993 and known as Chapter 30, removed certain regulatory burdens, including caps on profits, on Verizon and other phone carriers in exchange for commitments to upgrade their networks to provide statewide broadband service by 2015."
Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE. Tax incentives are not public funding. Almost every big time employer in the entire country gets tax incentives on the local, state, or federal level.
The Ford plant here in town gets a tax break. I guess that every Ford is built using public money. The steel plant paid a big fat 0 in taxes this year. I guess that means all of that steel produced belongs to "the people".
If you want to talk about phone companies ripping off the public, let's talk about MCI Worldscum.
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
Boogie |
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to nunya
Tax breaks earmarked for a single company isn't a subsidy? $2.1 Billion to a SINGLE COMPANY in exchange for DEPLOYMENT isn't a subsidy? In exchange for deployment, they got to keep $1.5 billion they would have paid the government...the OTHER $600 million wasn't. So how in your twisted logic is that not the government paying for the deployment? How is the government giving back billions that were owed by A PARTICULAR COMPANY in exchange for deployment by THAT PARTICULAR COMPANY not public funding of that deployment? The rewriting of the dictionary is nice, but makes you look really silly.
Oh, and nice clipping there sport, how about telling the whole story: quote:
In 1994 Verizon (then Bell Atlantic) struck a landmark deal with the state, which provided Verizon with hefty financial incentives if they met certain broadband rollout criteria. It's estimated that those financial incentives over the years wound up clocking in at somewhere around $2.1 billion dollars.
PUHLEESE...you really need to get hooked on phonics and at least make a vague attempt at telling the truth rather than telco spin.
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oliphant5
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join:2003-05-24
Corona, CA
| reply to boogie74
said by boogie74 :
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Did you think nobody would bother to look? PUHLEESE.
This guy is STILL putting links up in hopes that no one reads them?? What's worse is that he's putting up links that go to op-ed pieces by Karl Bode on BBR.
He's not worth your time to even argue with- he really should get a job or something- cuz he sure doesn't work in telecom with his "knowledge"
Boogie
Boogie...more hand holding is necessary I see. You really need to take some reading classes. And wow, I didn't know Karl wrote for the Philly Inquirerer...again you seem to have a real trouble telling the truth.
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Out of the 2.1 billion dollars received in the deal, $1.5 billion of it consisted of extra tax deductions.
So what was the other SIX HUNDRED MILLION DOLLARS shill? Only in your shill filled mind is the gov't giving a telco money, not a gov't giving a telco money.
Give it up Boogie...you make these insane claims and are shot down time and time again. Just how much are the telcos paying you anyway?
What's next...you going to claim the telcos don't take increases again? It would be nice, we're all in need of a good laugh.
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LegoPower77
Abecedarian
Premium
join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA
| Kill it completely
I don't like paying for people's living choices. People who decide to live in a rural, hard-to-wire area should have to subsidize my high housing costs here in population dense Fairfax county where I've decided to live before accepting my hard-earned $$ for their convenience. Last I looked the Constitution doesn't guarantee a right to broadband access; but many in here treat the subject as if it does.
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