vic102482
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join:2002-04-30
Upper Marlboro, MD
| SpamAssasin the HDTV version
Need I say more? How hard would it be to detect computer data in an MPEG stream? Also equipment manf. arent in support of this move so "whoops" someone stole our white papers on what we use to block the signals.
I guess the secret is out:/
Just like region free DVD players.
Edit: Woo hoo first post!!!!
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X_Digit
Binary Enhanced
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join:2003-06-12
Mansfield, TX
| Yeah right...
"ensures that Americans will continue to receive free, high quality programming in the digital age."
Yeah right, who are they kidding? Ensuring FREE high-quality programming? Come on people... we've learned NOTHING is for free at about the age of 7. Any company with a statement like that makes me run in the opposite direction! |
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Sarick
It's Only Logical
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join:2003-06-03
USA
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|  More trusted computing blunders
More Digital Rights trusted computing blunders. the only thing this protects is the consumer from using their data.
The real hackers pirates will find ways around it.
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Vvian Kalyss
join:2003-10-14
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| interesting...
Hmm... more from the FCC: www.indiantelevision.com/headlines/y2k3/nov/nov40.htm
Sure it will inconvenience the casual copier (i.e. the consumers this is intended for), but it'll be a mere speedbump to digital pirates bent on warezing.
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Omega
Displaced Ohioan
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Cheyenne, WY
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Re: More trusted computing blunders
What exactly does this prevent us from doing?
Are they saying we can no longer record our programs?
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ArchAngel21x
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Lincoln, NE | The way I understand it, you can still record the programs like many people still do with the VCR. It's just if you try to distribute the program on the Internet it will be corrupted.
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ArchAngel21x
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Lincoln, NE
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| Another Waste Of Money
How hard would it be to record your favorite program via an analog connection so the "flag" won't be an issue. Just use the video in on your PCI input card. The technology isn't even out yet and already a work around was thought up in less than a minute. Also, who's to say a way to get around that copy protection and still come out with a perfect digital copy won't come around?
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m_2jo
join:2003-10-29
27000 |  reply to X_Digit
Re: Yeah right...
ya me 2 yep
see ya |
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dleehend
Howdy
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join:2002-03-11
Jasper, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
| Receive or Act Upon
Does the ruling say the receiver must act upon the marker or just recognize it? Seems to me that the receiver could see the marker and still give the user a setting to either pay attention to it or ignore it, much like some DVD players do with region codes as was mentioned above.
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
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Re: More trusted computing blunders
said by ArchAngel21x  :
The way I understand it, you can still record the programs like many people still do with the VCR. It's just if you try to distribute the program on the Internet it will be corrupted.
So how will this work? If I use my DVR to record the program, then copy the resulting file to my PC to watch it will it be corrupted? What if I want to change formats and copy it over to my PocketPC or my Archos Jukebox Multimedia to watch during an airplane flight? That's all just time-shifting for personal use/enjoyment and is perfectly legal under Fair Use.
And if I can copy a file to my PC, PocketPC, or MP3 player to watch it, what's stopping me from sending the file to anyone else? I don't see how a technology can be created that lets me watch something on all the formats mentioned above yet makes it impossible for me to send the file to someone else for viewing... At least not with MPEG files-- I guess that the entire industry can shift toward the backwards digital rights "management" scheme used in WMP9.
I have serious concerns about how this is going to impact Fair Use. It will probably lead to some dramatic changes for the worse...
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NOVA_Guy
Obama- Commander in Thief
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join:2002-03-05
·VOIPo
| How long will it take...
...to have people develop a way to disable this crap on digital receivers that will have it embedded?
If someone did develop a way to disable this junk, I'd buy it in a heartbeat... It's not that I want to distribute programming to people across the Internet; it's just that I disagree with it so much.
I was initially opposed to the idea of eliminating copyright laws in this country, but I'm beginning to shift more and more towards this with each passing day. As our Fair Use rights erode away and greedy corporate America owns more and more of our culture, we need to start fighting back.
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Camelot One
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join:2001-11-21
Sarasota, FL
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| One more thing to pay for
Great, they are adding one more thing I have to pay for, jacking up the cost of equipment even more than it already is. Nothing I hate more than paying for something I am going to find a way to NOT use anyway.
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Urnso
join:2001-02-26
Cleveland, OH
| Can't Stop it!!
Listen, they can sniff packets they can spy on ports but they cannot detect the content of an Encrypted file. Even a simple file encrypted by Blowfish is undetectable to someone watching your connection. It is simply Data. Many people have said this before me... they will never stop it. You have to remember, the best programmers in the world are not the ones working for these corporations. They are the Elite hackers that believe in Digital Free Trade and bucking the system. It's a game to them and the public is winning. |
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ArchAngel21x
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| reply to NOVA_Guy
Re: More trusted computing blunders
said by NOVA_Guy :
I have serious concerns about how this is going to impact Fair Use. It will probably lead to some dramatic changes for the worse...
Yeah, that's why the EFF is fighting this.
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Omega
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| reply to NOVA_Guy
You can always copy the videos analog. Sure you will lose quality, but it's better than the whole program going corrupt.
Just pop the recorded program into the VCR, then record the output of your VCR with your TV tuner.
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ArchAngel21x
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Lincoln, NE
·Internet Nebraska
| said by Omega :
Just pop the recorded program into the VCR, then record the output of your VCR with your TV tuner.
Yeah....just like I said in my post....
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Jason Levine
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USA
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Re: How long will it take...
Maybe not eliminate, but they certainly have to be scaled back quite a bit. As they stand now, they were all but dictated to the government by big businesses who have no incentive to protect the consumers' rights. Fair Use needs to be re-established and copyright terms need to be scaled back. Sorry, but you shouldn't get to keep the copyright 70 years after you are dead.
I think that 30 years from the date of release is plenty. After that, it should fall into the public domain. How this would cover "followup works" (new issues of a Superman comic book, new versions of a software program, movie sequels/remakes, etc) would have to be ironed out of course. Perhaps just the old versions would fall into public domain and the new versions wouldn't be.
Of course, all this is moot because corporations would fight tooth and nail and wallet against this. Can you imagine the outrage at Disney if they learned that Mickey might fall into public domain? Imagine how much money they (and other companies with deep pockets) would throw at Congress to kill that law.
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SaBo7Ge
join:2003-03-12
US
| TCPA is only one step away
Who would have ever thought that a nation liberated and built upon offering freedoms to all citizens within a 200+ year span would end up turning into a nation that stiffles creativity & the rights of the "common citizen" simply to protect big business interests.. Our country is fastly sinking down the crapper folks and it's looking worse day by day simply because our elected officicals are more concerned about bribes and campaign contributions than actually making a difference in the policies they create..
Canada and Europe are quickly becoming more attractive because they actually care about the rights of their citizens; offering socialized medicine,a national broadband policy w/ lines/speed that people can afford, et cetera.. Thomas Jefferson said it best when he suggested we should overthrow the system every 20 years, and with it the laws that protect big business.. I for one will not stand for this type of abuse in the coming future. If my government will not support the rights of the majority rather than those of the corrupt few then I and so many others will probably end up moving to a country that cares. |
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oldhand
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join:2003-05-16
Saugus, MA
| reply to ArchAngel21x
No analog outputs
A few days ago on another site (I don't remember where) there was a technical explanation of the Broadcast Flag. In the text, it stated that hardware containing the decryption chip would not be allowed to have analog output connectors to prevent analog copying. This would render current hardware unable to record or display these encrypted signals. If true, this would mandate a new cable/satellite channel for encrypted movies that would be usable only with decrypting TVs. The implication was that even current plasma displays without digital inputs and decryption chips would be unable to display movies broadcast with the Broadcast Flag. I sincerely hope that my reading of this technology article was incorrect. |
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cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY | reply to vic102482
Re: SpamAssasin the HDTV version
Anyone have a mod chip? |
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