cyberthugin
join:2002-03-12
Kew Gardens, NY
| From Music to Movies
Stupid Law
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| I sort of agree....
As many have said before, shorten the life of copyright. I'd agree to not have any copies of unreleased movies, or even movies that are less than two years old. But after that, when they are out on television and in the library for free, they should be allowed anywhere for free.
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AlexNYC
join:2001-06-02
Edwards, CO |  And what if ...
And what if the shared folder is in China, Russia or another country??? |
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL | Obviously this (like most of our criminal laws) is only applicable to American citizens or people living in our country. |
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apollo80
join:2002-01-31
Richmond, VA | reply to AlexNYC
Good point. Not much can be done about that. Isn't China a haven for bootlegs anyway? |
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kaisa
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Glen Ellyn, IL
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| hmm
wonder if mIRC counts as "shared" or if its just kazaa (edit: and other p2p's) |
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liht
Acryllicht
join:2000-07-11
Mesa, AZ
 ·Cox HSI
| interesting...
easiest solution...copy the file to an unshared folder! booyah!
but i wonder...most programs keep the file shared while its being downloaded (like BT). would an incomplete file, count as a whole, and thus illegal? or would the file have to be the complete thing, from header to trailer to the darn extension before its technically a real file.
i think therefore i am; i produce junky cam quality with bad sound, therefore i am an unreleased movie (yes i know, dvd's, but lots of people aren't giving out dvd screeners anymore).
there should be a big proposal by the mpaa and riaa. "please don't steal our music/movies until we actually put it in stores/theatres, so some people will at least buy it first; after that steal away."
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joebear29
join:2003-07-20
Alabaster, AL
| reply to apollo80
Re: And what if ...
said by apollo80  :
Good point. Not much can be done about that. Isn't China a haven for bootlegs anyway?
Well, there are illegal (ie underage etc.) porn websites on the Internet, many overseas, but they are still illegal in the US. This is kinda the same theory - at least control it where you can. |
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gargzo
How You Doin?
join:2000-11-02
South Bend, IN | reply to cyberthugin
Re: From Music to Movies
Ok I got the handbasket. Now where did you say we are going?
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garagerock
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join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| Yawn
Why is that we're supposed to legislate every goddamn thing in the world? Why can't these companies/organizations control their own products?
Hey, we're too lazy to police ourselves, so we have to police everyone else? What a waste of taxpayer dollars. |
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broknsymetry
What Time Is It And Why?
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join:2003-06-27
THE VOID
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| Future Prosecution Practices
"It says we don't care if anybody got any of these copies," Jaszi* said. "We're going to conclude that at least 10 people did. It relieves the copyright owner of having to prove that any violation of their rights actually happened."
becomes
"We don't care if he killed anybody. We're going to conclude that he killed at least 10 people. It relieves the state of having to prove that any violation of the law actually happened."
EDIT:*Peter Jaszi, a professor at American University who teaches copyright law, said he is "deeply troubled" by the wording of the draft legislation, because it does not say any actual copyright infringement must take place--only that the file be available in a shared folder, Web site or FTP (File Transfer Protocol) site.
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to gargzo
Re: From Music to Movies
Why not just shoot 'em then we can show the world "we believe in the rule of law" |
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ObdH
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join:2003-06-11 | reply to broknsymetry
Re: Future Prosecution Practices
the title tries to make it sound like just possessing it is criminal but it actually says having it in a shared folder...IE SHARING IT
duh no different than music, etc |
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user_hater
join:2001-12-14
Tyler, TX
| Film Trading Felony
are they going to verify that its an unreleased movie b4 locking me up? what if i have a file named lotr-returnoftheking.avi in my shared folder. will they download it first to see if it's the real movie, or when the fbi kick in my door i can have them sit down and enjoy the movie trailer thats on tv that i downloaded? |
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User0101
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join:2002-12-12
S-ZZ9-PZA
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| Insert Catchy Title Here...
So I guess the focus will now move onto everyone using IRC or USENET for this sort of thing?
/Bangs Head
I cant say I've ever seen such a thing as a "Share Folder" on USENET. If I ever did I think I would just run, quickly. The point made earlier about the share being in another country gets a little trickier. A very valid and good point it is!
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bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | Not a bad law
I'd like to hear a good argument why it's okay to have copies of unreleased movies on any medium. How on earth could it be legal to begin with, since it's obviously a derivative of stolen property? |
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broknsymetry
What Time Is It And Why?
Premium
join:2003-06-27
THE VOID
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Re: Future Prosecution Practices
And when it is uploaded to an anonymous FTP site without permission of the site owner (as many are) the site owner is then sentenced to three years in prison without proof of infringement? This will be as bad or worse than the DMCA.
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scavio
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join:2001-07-14
Melmac
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Re: Yawn
Because without laws, they would have no pull. Same reason I can't just break into a house and steal whatever I want... the people should have had better security!
Now should there be a special law specifically for unreleased movies? That I don't agree with, we have laws in place already and don't need to make it a felony. |
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RayW
Premium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Good law, if you are out to get someone
I can just see someone putting a file into someones FTP or share folder. And you all know that it is possible given the M$ baseline security and/or various trojans, worms, and other means.
Then they call up the Greed Patrol and report it. Instant guilt.
Another means of being framed for the American (US types) public. Another means of getting to those who run afoul of the 'powers'. Of course, given that the credit bureaus control all your life data anyway, it may be easier just to get you though that way.
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IIIBradIII
Comm M-E-L Instr
join:2000-09-28
Greer, SC
| reply to bokamba
Re: Not a bad law
I don't think most would say it's ok to do, but the punishment should fit the crime, no matter what the crime is.
3yrs in prison for having a pre-release movie?? Give me a break.
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