batageek
Slave To The Duopoly
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join:2003-01-25
| No fiber builds
This line of thinking (Qwest) seems to be in line with the other Bells....."We're not going to build fiber until we get our way---with no competition." WAHHHHHHH.....
It also goes along with their "We know what's best for you and we'll give it to you when WE think you need it" approach.
GO UTOPIA!
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| said by batageek  :
This line of thinking (Qwest) seems to be in line with the other Bells....."We're not going to build fiber until we get our way---with no competition." WAHHHHHHH.....
This type of thinking is not exclusive to other Bells. Many a CLEC will not invest in expansion of the phone system because of the same exact reason. Of course... the will of the consumer is going to either force them to to do something, or they will pass by the wayside.
said by batageek :
It also goes along with their "We know what's best for you and we'll give it to you when WE think you need it" approach.
Which is exactly why cable is blowing away the phone companies in the broadband game. They understand that high speed access is what the customer wants, and are willing to make the investment needed to get it.
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aSic
application specific
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join:2001-05-17
Wakulla, FL
clubs: |  Looks like I'm moving..
Yep..looks like I'm going to move back to West Valley City UT next year. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| Who gets the check?
Who's paying for this project? Is it private investors who will shoulder all of the risk, or is it taxpayers who will be footing the bill (as always)?
I really hope that government-provided broadband never comes to PA. Corrupt government officials here already know of enough ways to waste my money. They don't need any new ideas!
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| good luck....
hope they can do it. At least one small part of one state in the U.S. won't be stuck in the internet dark ages for the next 10 years.
Besides, the bells are already backing off FTTH/FTTC and analysts are saying the bells will ride DSL for several more years. If they want fiber, they WILL have to build it themselvse. |
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rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
| reply to pnh102
Re: Who gets the check?
yeah you're doing great with Verizon now........ Pennsylvania got the worst screwing imaginable courtesy of the local politicians allowing Verizon rob the good citizens of Pennsylvania and not holding them accountable for promises never delivered. God I am so tired of getting screwed by corporations and Politicians. when's the next revolution? |
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amenite
The Soylent - It's People
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join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
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| Euphamisms
quote:
Jerry Fenn, president of the Utah division of Qwest, is quick to dismiss the network in the article, inquiring "Why provide a Rolls-Royce when a Chevrolet will do?"
Translation = "Why give them a Rolls Royce when you can give them a Chevrolet and pocket the difference?"
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to rit56
Re: Who gets the check?
said by rit56 :
yeah you're doing great with Verizon now........ Pennsylvania got the worst screwing imaginable courtesy of the local politicians allowing Verizon rob the good citizens of Pennsylvania and not holding them accountable for promises never delivered.
As if Verizon wasn't screwing everyone in this state before with overpriced toll calls and ridiculously small local calling areas? Competition from cell phone providers has already solved that problem for me and many other people in this state. Verizon might have won the battle and gotten a boatload of free cash from rate payers, but as more people stop using them as their landline service, they are going to be forced to provide their wares at cheaper prices, or be forced out of business. I still feel that the consumers of this state are now finally able to hold Verizon accountable for what they are doing, precisely because of the competition from cell phone and cable TV companies.
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nshulga
join:2002-06-06
Morrisville, PA | reply to pnh102
I'd prefer municipal broadband to Verizon and Comcast.
NS |
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| reply to batageek
Re: No fiber builds
Not to mention the Rolls-Royce vs Chevrolet analogy. A Freudian slip perhaps? Is Qwest admitting that their cheap approach is responsible for crappy products.
Proof the RBOCs just don't understand competition. The question should read, "How is it when a Chevrolet will get the job done, people choose something different... |
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batageek
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join:2003-01-25
| reply to pnh102
Yes but the difference is that most CLEC's aren't going out of their way to fight Muni-builds either. SBC (and Comcast too for that matter) would rather spend money on marketing and lawyers rather than just upgrading the damn plants.
I'm all for operating at a profit, but for God's sake, if a muni wants to put in something you won't, get the hell out of the way.
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viperpa33s
Why Me?
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join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL
·Bright House
| 2 points of view
There are 2 points of view here, 1 for the people and the other about profits. I agree that the government shouldn't be in the telelcommunications buisness, but I also agree that the companies aren't doing enough to make sure everyone is hooked up.
I'll give a example of a similar situation. I know a guy who lives in Pennsylvania. He lives on a street with about 10 other famlies. The cable company refuses to spend the money to run cable. My friend either has to spend $1,800 to have the cable company run the cable or get satillite. Of course he chose satillite.
These are the kind of situations that the municipalities are getting tired of, people being left out in the cold. A company like Qwest don't care whether 40% of Utah has no DSL or phone service. They base there buisness on profits and they want to get the maximum return on there profits in the shortest amount of time.
For years the municipalities have been screaming at the telelcommunications for years only to fall on deaf ears.
Now that the municipalities are doing what the companies like Qwest won't do, Qwest is screaming that it's the wring thing to do. I am not against Qwest making profits, but at what cost?
Qwest says that you should only give a customer what they need, nothing more, nothing less. If Utah rolls out fiber now, that means Utah won't have to upgrade later. Not in a companies buisness sense of only upgrading as you go.
Qwest calls Utah's initative a Rolls Royce, but doesn't it all come down to of Utah giving the people what they want? Ten again who will end up paying this 450 million dollar fiber optic network? |
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wentlanc
You Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH
| One dollar per day
This is roughly the cost over 5 years for the 282,500 homes and businesses to pay for the network. I don't know about anyone else, but I'll give up a dollar a day in taxes to be free from the monopolies of the telcos and cable companies.
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J D McDorce
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join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
| reply to lesopp
Re: No fiber builds
If Qwest really wants to use automotive analogies, it would likely be more appropriate to describe their DSL offerings as the Cadillac Cimmaron - an entry level product sold as a luxury product (with Verizon and SBC's entry level products filling the role of the Sunbird and Cavalier).
While there is no argument that Qwest is an RBOC, I would stop short of buying into Qwest's actions and understandings being representative of all RBOCs. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
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| Some Answers
It is a bond issue. I do not remember voting for it, but I see Layton is on the list.
An early 'no data' story:
»deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,3···,00.html
Some city council propaganda:
»www.midvalecity.org/Council%20do···003m.htm
Taxpayer 'watchdog' org concerns:
»www.utahtaxpayers.org/NEWSLTTR/P···003e.pdf
There are two registered lobby-people Zuhl, Michael and Tew, Roger that I could find.
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Poopsmith
That's Mr. Smith To You.
join:2003-03-12
Boulder, CO
| Good for Utah
I wish other Qwest states would show the same support *winks at Colorado*. The Mormons are sick of Qwest's terrible service and so am I. Nothing would give me greater pleasure than see a telco fall because the people decide to build their own network. Man, this article really brightened up my day. |
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RayW
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
clubs: | Utah is not just Mormons, Poop. Look at the last Salt Lake City mayor election.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
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join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to batageek
Re: No fiber builds
said by batageek :
I'm all for operating at a profit, but for God's sake, if a muni wants to put in something you won't, get the hell out of the way.
I partially agree with you on this one. If a new private company wants to run its own wires and offer service (as Conestoga Communications (nee Telebeam) did in State College, PA) then the government must not allow anything or anyone to interfere with that deployment.
However, if I was a stockholder or a private business owner facing "competition" from a government agency which doesn't have to face the same kind of tax or regulatory scrutiny that I do, then I would fight this tooth and nail, as it would be my business going under.
Of course, if I willingly decided to deep-six my own business by not providing the services my customers want, or by lobbying the government to create a regulatory environment that discourages investment (as the phone companies did with TA1996, the USF, etc.) then I have no one to blame but myself when competitors filled the void.
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zabes63
join:2003-04-05
Batavia, IL
| reply to pnh102
Re: Who gets the check?
I have to agree with you that I would be very suspect of government run operation on a State or Federal level.
I do not, however, have the same qualms about it being operated on the local level.
The incumbents have demonstrated over and over again that they could care less about our needs or the economic development in our area. I trust my local officials to do what is best for the promotion of my community, and if they don't, they can always be replaced.
Make a call to have Eddy's (whitacre) head on a plate and see how far you get.
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lesopp
join:2001-06-27
Land O Lakes, FL
| reply to RayW
Side Point
I followed the link to utahtaxpayers.org and found an incorrect description of the Federal USF, as it pertained to a consumer phone bill. After reading the description I was left with the impression it is a tax the consumer pays. The USF is paid by communication companies and they pass the charge along to the consumer to avoid revenue loss. |
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