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Comments on news posted 2003-11-25 11:01:55: The Can-Spam Act of 2003 could have caged the spam beast, but instead gives America's 23 million businesses the green light to spam you - legally. ..
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gruggni
Oxygen Gets You High
join:2003-07-28
Corpus Christi, TX
| so nothing really happened did it. All these dumb butts did was get together and draw a line in the ground, this side is allowed to spam you, the other side isn't. And there was much rejoicing, HOORAY!!
I'm glad our tax dollars are being used for these kinds of decisions. 
I bet the claim "SPAM opt-out" will hold as much weight as Comcast "Unlimited access" claim.
Opting out won't help much, because we still have the same problems. No real change, but now the morons in office have defined spam so they understand it better. Now that they understand what's going on, they seem really excited.
Time to build another internet, one for the businesses so they can spam each other and one for non business. Section off the net to keep business in their own corner. Online business is clogging up the pipe with advertisements.
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53059959
Temp banned from BBR more then anyone
join:2002-10-02
PwnZone
| that darn spam I use yahoo mail, and 90% of my spam goes directly into a spam folder, because they have a big list of spammers email addresses. it's quite useful, and I don't have to spend an hour to sort through all the crap. If I happen to find like a "vote for democratic party" spam (even though i'm 16) in my inbox...zzzt submit to spam list, and block the address. and there is a point to spam, it's calculated that by sending enough spam to enough people you can make a return because theres some idiot who buys penis enlarging pills. so here's something to ponder-if internet savvy people get the most "opportunities" to enlarge their penis via spam email, then geeks have the largest cocks? | |
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Mordy
Comfortably Numb
Premium,MVM,ExMod 2004-07
join:2001-12-02
Denver, CO
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| Legalized Stupidity This doesn't change my anti-spam strategy one bit (filter and report), but some of you may need to ramp up your anti-spam efforts. See the Stopping Spam forum for links to some good products that you can use to deal with this stupidity.
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asdfdfdf
@xtraport.net
| I'm not convinced this is as terrible... ...as you all think it is.
Certainly the intention was to deal with the large scale spamming operations, not with all email marketing.
Certainly the flip side of the coin when you define illegality is that you clarify what is legal.
We shouldn't expect that the government is going to outlaw all email advertising, any more than they have outlawed all mail marketing.
I think you are all jumping the gun in assuming that millions of legitimate businesses are going to be assaulting us with spam now.
Firstly, millions of legitimate businesses aren't likely to go out of their way to piss off their customers doing something that there is such broad public distaste for.
It would also be self defeating. There would be very little benefit to legitimate business activity if everyone is drowning in spam. The marketing message gets lost and attention can't be held.
Having advertising only from legitimate business working within the law also gives the public some leverage, such as massive public backlash against company products as well as the threat of more governmental response if companies behave idiotically.
The economics that drives "penis enlargement" spam is such that a minuscule response rate provides enough incentive.
It isn't clear to me that the economics would be the same for legitimate businesses looking at email advertising as a possible marketing direction.
This is going to be a long battle and there isn't any single solution, but this could end up being a step in the right direction. | |
| | mc5w
join:2002-06-14
Independence, OH
|  Re: I'm not convinced this is as terrible...
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Nikita
Snow
Premium,MVM
join:2001-11-26
clubs: 
| Bah! I guess its time to up that spam guard. This just plain sucks and my unhappiness will be reflected in the way i vote next year and who I advocate for to my friends next year.
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qsoak
Premium
join:2003-10-30
Long Beach, CA
| Whose Jurisdiction? I know I could probably find it somewhere in the details of this bill but I'm too tired to try. Something I do not understand: It's been said here, in several posts, that this bill would nullify the various states' laws that were better written. Why?
Till now I've taken it for granted that "living in the U.S." means there's a Federal agency, commission, or bureau in charge of everything. But how did the internet, and spam in particular, become the providence of congress? The internet is supposed to belong to no ONE, and to everyone the world over. It's not a gun, or drug, or structure, or airplane, or ship etc. etc. It's not a thing, it's just a bunch of computers on a network. So how does it fall to congress to define or regulate anything? I know there are pragmatic and rational answers to that last question. It was a sort of rhetorical / philosophical type question. (which means I'm still asking myself the question but I don't really want any political science professors or busy attorney types to beat me over the head with a big lecture on the subject) 
I can see states passing laws to protect consumers, fight fraud, and regulate business' practices and the internet and spam being one of the many areas covered by such laws. What I can't see is how /why congress' laws should nullify a state's law. There are state and federal laws covering the same areas already (murder, theft etc.) why can there only be a federal law governing spam?
Man, now I got a headache to go with that sick feeling in my stomach that started when I began reading this thread. notlol
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linicx
Caveat Emptor
Premium
join:2002-12-03
United State
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| It is easy to stop spam So you say your really want to stop spam? Are you sure you want to pay the price?
Did I hear you say, "Yes, I'm fed up, I'll do anything.!"
Here's the solution: Limit all incoming and outgoing email to text messages 25K or less. Use snail mail for everything else.
Voila! No spam; no HTML, no viruses; no trojans; no backdoors. No worry.
The problem is, no ISP has the gonads to do it. | |
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