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That's pure crap, but than again it's Japan. It will be 40 years down the road before I see anything like that coming around to my neighborhood due to captalistic america. Also wtf is up with not being able to copy anything? There will always be ways. If I pay for it, and it comes into my living room, I am allowed to copy it for my personal use.
Screw'em
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| | | | Re: Angry American And Hong Kong is a special economic zone of China that is closer to capitalism than anything else 
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P.R.C. | Re: Angry American said by MortySnerd:
And Hong Kong is a special economic zone of China that is closer to capitalism than anything else
HOng Kong is a British territory is it not?
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Humble, TX | Re: Angry American Hong Kong is a former British territory. Great Britain relinquished control in 1997. | |
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P.R.C. | Re: Angry American I see. Guess I am a little behind, oh well I am not British.
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That's pure crap, but than again it's Japan.
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Please check your geography.
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kudos:1 | Re: Angry American LMAO.. opps.. China =P | |
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| SeandhiSeeing From a New LevelPremium
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Humble, TX | Haha, capitalistic America? Lol, what the hell do you think Hong Kong is?
Their form of capitalism is, in fact, more pure than ours. But go on hating America, it is the socially acceptable thing to do nowadays.
You should blame our over-grown federal government for our nation's failings... not the economic system.
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Houston, TX | Re: Angry American amen. | |
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Haha, capitalistic America? Lol, what the hell do you think Hong Kong is?
Their form of capitalism is, in fact, more pure than ours. But go on hating America, it is the socially acceptable thing to do nowadays.
You should blame our over-grown federal government for our nation's failings... not the economic system.
More pure then ours? You mean Censorship and Oppression?
Almost all of the newspaper and television reporters in Hong Kong who remotly questioned the party or the government where forced out by government appointed editors.
And as for our over-grown federal government uhmmm, it isn't by any means over-grown, just take a look at Western Europe where the government regulates everything from education to housing. Oh and Economicly they are kicking our butts right now. Something to do with an educated work force who are in decent health and have job security or something... | |
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Humble, TX | Re: Angry American said by xrobertcmx:
More pure then ours? You mean Censorship and Oppression?
Almost all of the newspaper and television reporters in Hong Kong who remotly questioned the party or the government where forced out by government appointed editors.
As I have said before, and will say again, governmental systems != economic systems. But to the point, yes Hong Kong is losing more and more freedoms and will eventually no longer be a symbol for capitalistic prosperity. At one point Hong Kong was one of the most successful economies in the world, being only 23 square miles. That is quite a feat...
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And as for our over-grown federal government uhmmm, it isn't by any means over-grown, just take a look at Western Europe where the government regulates everything from education to housing. Oh and Economicly they are kicking our butts right now. Something to do with an educated work force who are in decent health and have job security or something...
I'm sorry, did I miss the part where the E.U. economy is better off than ours?
"Unless Europe quickly learns to innovate and adopt new technologies, its standard of living will fall ever further behind the US, the European Commission has warned. " »news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/1670599.stm
"The European Union's economic growth has slowed to zero, new data indicated Thursday, fuelling fears of a slide towards recession, already confirmed in EU heavyweight Germany."
»www.eubusiness.com/imported/2003/05/110253
Hmm, I guess that is why millions (»www.census.gov/prod/2003pubs/p20-539.pdf) still migrate to the U.S. every year.
God, it sucks to live in America. Just keep repeating the socialist credo to yourself...
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Not to mention that while economic growth has started again in the US we are still not creating a large number of jobs, except at the bottom. (»money.cnn.com/2003/10/30/news/economy/gdp/)
Immigrants are coming to the United States is from where? And yes, many, many are moving to other countries as well.
And this isn't about socialism though just pointing out that our government by comparison is small. | |
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Dayton, OH | Re: Angry American said by xrobertcmx:
Immigrants are coming to the United States is from where?
»uscis.gov/graphics/publicaffairs···mfig.htm
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A total of 1,063,732 persons legally immigrated to the United States in FY 2002. Five countries accounted for 40 percent of immigrants: Mexico (219,380); India (71,105); The People's Republic of China (61,282); Philippines (51,308); and Vietnam (33,627).
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Humble, TX | Holland -
"Real GDP growth in the first quarter of 2001 was -0.2% in 2001 and -1.2% in 2002. Tortal consumer expenditure is declining, investment in fixed assets is negative, and the inflation rate is 2.0% or 2.1%."
»www.mail-archive.com/marxism@lis···556.html
Netherlands -
"Economic growth Q3 in 2003: -1.1%
In the third quarter of 2003 the Dutch economy saw a negative growth of 1.1% compared to the same quarter of 2002. The decrease in volume of the gross domestic product (GDP) is almost equal to the decrease in the second quarter. After adjustments for seasonal and calendar effects, third quarter GDP increased by 0.1% on the second quarter."
»www.cbs.nl/en/publications/artic···1-03.htm
Sweden -
"The Government was successful in its objective of halving open unemployment to 4% by the end of 2000. However, the figure rose above 5% again at the beginning of 2003 due to the unfavourable state of the international economy."
And about the great health?
"An ever-growing problem is the steep rise in the numbers of people with long-term illnesses (currently more than 5% of the workforce), which puts a burden on state coffers while undermining the successes attained in combating unemployment."
»www.auswaertiges-amt.de/www/en/l···d_id=147
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Boynton Beach, FL | hate to break your bubble
immigration to the us is down
especially from international students on which universities depend to pay higher fees so their programs can survive. UK, Canada and Germany are registering 30% increases over the last year of new international students.
even the green card lottery saw a plunge of around 40% from 13 million to just 8.4
also many who come here, come to work, save money and then go home | |
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1 edit | Re: Angry American Great, you burst my bubble how? Millions of people still immigrate to the U.S., fact.
International student visa have been restricted over the past two years attributing to the reduction of international student enrollment.
"A new study says the number of foreign students attending U.S. colleges increased by less than 1 percent in 2002-03 -- the lowest growth rate in seven years. It's just the latest piece of evidence that international students are shying away from the United States because of tough immigration rules."
Also in the article,
"Foreign students started experiencing delays entering the country in the wake of the terrorist attacks on Washington and New York, as the federal government responded to calls for tighter domestic security. One of the September 11 hijackers held a student visa."
»www.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/11/03···ents.ap/
Yes, enrollment has a retarded growth, but it has not decreased as you claim.
DV-2004 results (Which shows the Green Card lottery stats for 2002) shows that there were 7.3 million applicants plus 2.9 million other applications that were tossed for various reasons. (»travel.state.gov/dv2004results.html ) This is an increase from DV-2003 (2001 Stats) which was at around 6.5 million applications (»www.us-immigration.org/results.htm ). So again, the numbers you offered contradict my (limited) research.
Hmmm, I wonder if 9/11 had anything to do with that?
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Humble, TX | Re: Angry American And just very recently China for that matter... Great Britain relinquished control to the Chinese in 1997. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | said by technick:
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That's pure crap, but than again it's Japan. It will be 40 years down the road before I see anything like that coming around to my neighborhood due to captalistic america. Also wtf is up with not being able to copy anything? There will always be ways. If I pay for it, and it comes into my living room, I am allowed to copy it for my personal use.
Screw'em
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Its in america already. if you are in a Qwest area you could have gotten their version of video over DSL. unfortunately Qwest has scrapped further deployment of its VDSL service.
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| | | Re: Old Curious If that's a la carte? With no copying allowed? | |
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| | | | Re: Old They say only some VOD content is not allowed to be copied. | |
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1 edit | Ninja,no Hk's Netvigator Ultraline was the world's first DSL TV.It was launched way back in 1998 when Japan was still on ISDN. | |
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| | | | Re: Old Then they're lying on »www.bbcable.tv Anyway, there it says that it's the world's first wide-area adsl tv. Whatever... HK sux big time. | |
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1 edit | Re: Old Whatever..LOL cause Netvigator still relies on NEC's equipment for the VOD solution.As for BBTV they are using Samsung STBs for customers. | |
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Jacksonville, FL | 4.5mbps per channel??? quote:
deliver the video over DSL at speeds of 4.5mbps per channel
Are they providing 4.5mbps for each channel or is that for ALL channels combined? It reads a little differently in the article. For each channel that seems like a lot of bandwidth. If thats the case I don't see us getting this any time soon. | |
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PwnZone | oh man I want some bandwidth. gimmie bandwidth | |
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Roslyn, NY | Re: Go take a look at this I dont understand why this is impossible to do over cable television? With current digital cable technology and "on demand" products. I would never switch from cable to DSL. | |
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Phoenix, AZ | DSL TV in US As I've mentioned before, I have TV over VDSL from Qwest, and it works great. It has 3 5Mb video MPEG streams along with 1Mb/1Mb data. However, it's been too costly for Qwest to deploy it beyone Phoenix and Denver. The main killer is the distance limit (about 4000 feet for their 22Mb service). This requires a ton of remote terminals to cover enough area.
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Portland, OR | Re: DSL TV in US said by alanhdsl:
As I've mentioned before, I have TV over VDSL from Qwest, and it works great. It has 3 5Mb video MPEG streams along with 1Mb/1Mb data. However, it's been too costly for Qwest to deploy it beyone Phoenix and Denver. The main killer is the distance limit (about 4000 feet for their 22Mb service). This requires a ton of remote terminals to cover enough area.
Given the size and density of Hong Kong, distance probably isn't a big issue there.
So you you only get 3 channels ? o_O
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San Luis Obispo, CA | DSL TV for the Home Hong Kong:
Roughly 43 square miles-with a population rivaling New York City.
C'mon, people-logic has escaped this thread big time. The reason the far east has an edge on REALLY fast broadband content is population density, Government subsidies, ect..
Would you like the U.S. Government(I.E. "The Fed's") to have their little paws in your broadband connection affairs?
I don't, and neither should you. We(in the United States) live in a very BIG country where alot of folks don't live within 12,000' of a CO to get DSL Broadband, so they have to contend w/cable, dialup or "the dish" for their broad band needs.
Someday, DSL TV will be available to everyone, but currently it isn't cost effective to empliment it outside of a major city(New York, Boston, Chicago, ect.)
Copyright protection: look @ TIVO, great idea there, isn't it | |
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| | | Re: DSL TV for the Home I see your point, but why don't USA cities like Ney York, LA, Atlanta and Chicago have killer broadband options? Seems they have the pop density to make it work. | |
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Florida mobile car cam »www.suncam.tv/
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