Wall9
Tell Me, Did You See It Too?
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join:2002-06-25
Dupo, IL | I'm down for it
I agree. |
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Varangian
join:2002-12-08
Collinsville, IL |  Re- regulate
I'm for applying a firestorm of regulation to every deregulated industry that has proven itself totally unworthy of the privelege.
Shoddy goods, poor service and total disloyalty to the united states dont fly with me... |
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morbo
Complete Your Transaction
join:2002-01-22
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clubs: | tired of being manipulated...
I'm tired of these PR companies thinking they can persuade the public of anything. Can't we hire Osama and gang to attack these more worthy targets? |
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medfly
join:2003-05-15
Windsor, CO
| pr whore firms serve one real purpose
Everyone knows that these pr /lobbyist firms are so full of shit its not funny. Therefore they only serve one real function: to provide a smokescreen so their favorite vote buyer / elected official can pass some bullshit law thats in their favor, and say "well there was a study that proved that this law is for the best".
Corporate dollars are destroying our democracy, and only the complete ban of corporate /lobbyist dollars from the entire election process will end the corruption. Which of course will never happen. |
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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| Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers
Sure deregulation works wonders. Just ask the state of California how well deregulation worked in the electricity industry. It worked so well that the power pirates were able to extort $10bn dollars from the state where there had previously been a surplus in the treasury. They raped & gouged the ratepayers all the while plunging the entire state into darkness with rolling blackouts for a yr and half until they squeezed every last ounce of the surplus into their wallets.
The moral of the story kiddies is that anytime industry cries for deregulation of something, grab your wallet because a theft is about to occur.
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lolwhat
We Are Toast
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join:2001-06-11
USSA
 ·AT&T Midwest
 ·Future Nine Corpor..
| Yep, yet another astroturfer...
»www.uow.edu.au/arts/sts/sbeder/PR.html
Artificially created grassroots coalitions are referred to in the industry as 'astroturf' (after a synthetic grass product).
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
| reply to major marco
Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers
Don't confuse California electric deregulation with actual deregulation, it wasn't. Deregulation; done properly, and under the right circumstances; will always result in lower prices for the consumer. Freezing the price on the consumer side (which essentially is all that California "deregulation" consisted of) is not the right way to do it; because when the price of fuel goes up on the supply side the supplier will just shut down rather than run at a loss.
You paid out the nose for electricity because in order to meet the demand many out of state power plants had to be quickly turned on that had already used up their quota of emissions for the year, which meant they would pay fines to the EPA for these excess emissions (reliant energy was one of these companies).
There are other examples of deregulation gone bad, however California "Deregulation" only shows what happens when someone in a powerful position has a lack of an understanding of basic economics and refuses to listen to his advisor's.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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join:2003-02-13
Stepford, CA
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| said by Combat Chuck  :
Don't confuse California electric deregulation with actual deregulation, it wasn't. Deregulation; done properly, and under the right circumstances; will always result in lower prices for the consumer. Freezing the price on the consumer side (which essentially is all that California "deregulation" consisted of) is not the right way to do it; because when the price of fuel goes up on the supply side the supplier will just shut down rather than run at a loss.
You paid out the nose for electricity because in order to meet the demand many out of state power plants had to be quickly turned on that had already used up their quota of emissions for the year, which meant they would pay fines to the EPA for these excess emissions (reliant energy was one of these companies).
There are other examples of deregulation gone bad, however California "Deregulation" only shows what happens when someone in a powerful position has a lack of an understanding of basic economics and refuses to listen to his advisor's.
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But then being in PA it's not a big wonder. We have lots of out of state self-proclaimed experts on the subject of electricity deregulation and surprisingly, every single one of them tow the electricity company line of not enough plants, blah blah blah. The simple fact is that you weren't here and you don't know. All you can do is spout what the corporate media tells you to because that is all you know.
If you want an accurate picture of what happened with the electricity debacle, then hit FTCR.org and get the facts as they really occured, not what your television set tells you.
As for deregulation being good, the only entitities it benefits is the industry crying for it specifically because it removes all governmental oversights, checks and balances. In short, deregulation simply leaves industry to regulate itself. And we all know how well they do that, don't we.
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Combat Chuck
Too Many Cannibals
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join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
1 edit | said by major marco :
Obviously you don't know what you're talking about. But then being in PA it's not a big wonder. We have lots of out of state self-proclaimed experts on the subject of electricity deregulation and surprisingly....
Oh I'm sorry I did forget about that magical force field that surrounds California that prevents any information from leaving (or entering) the state. Obviously because you live there you are an expert in all things Californian. I bow to your 1337 C41i|=0rni4 5ki11z.
said by major marco :
The simple fact is that you weren't here and you don't know. All you can do is spout what the corporate media tells you to because that is all you know.
Actually at the time I was working for a company that performs maintenance on a particular piece of power plant equipment. I know what happened because I had to bust my arse for several months to get a whole lot of plants online, that were scheduled to be down due to EPA regs. for; in some cases; 9 months in the future.
said by major marco :
As for deregulation being good, the only entitities it benefits is the industry crying for it specifically because it removes all governmental oversights, checks and balances. In short, deregulation simply leaves industry to regulate itself. And we all know how well they do that, don't we.
This is just straight misinformation.
said by major marco :
If you want an accurate picture of what happened with the electricity debacle, then hit FTCR.org and get the facts as they really occured, not what your television set tells you.
For an accurate picture go take an Econ class at your local college (oops, you should probably go out of state, you know, with that barrier and all). Although me telling you this is probably for naught because it's fairly clear what you are and where you get your "edumification" based on the links in your sig.
PS. feel free to slander me all you want in your next post; I won't reply as it is a waste of time.
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major marco
Res Firma Mitescere Nescit
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Stepford, CA
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| said by Combat Chuck :
PS. feel free to slander me all you want in your next post; I won't reply as it is a waste of time.
Welp Chuck. I wouldn't give you the satisfaction if you got down on your hands & knees and begged me to. Why don't you go back to spouting corporate media popular groupthink. It' what you do best, after all.
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greatjohn
join:2000-10-27
Schenectady, NY |  reply to medfly
Re: pr whore firms serve one real purpose
Were actually a republic. |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| reply to Combat Chuck
Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers
I remember reading at the time. When Investors looked at
what California had done they predicted the State would be skinned alive. Instead of working out a 10 or 20 year contract they foolishly signed short term contracts. It was a real lesson on how not the deregulate.
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hoyleysox
join:2003-11-07
Long Beach, CA
 ·Cox HSI
·Time Warner Cable
| Regulation created a bunch of jobs
Telecom industry jobs soared line sharing was introduced, but the jobs evaporated as CLECs and ISPs went under. The RBOC's have been laying people off in droves also.
It's a little too simplistic to blame it all on regulation tough. 'Competition' forces every company to run a tight ship and operate as efficiently as possible, and serves as a dis-incentive for deployment. |
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LadyCash
Shibah
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join:2003-03-13
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 ·DIRECTV
·Comcast
·AT&T Midwest
| All Is Not As It Seems
Deregulation nor new regulations is going to cure unemployment. Companies bring in the services and goods for use to use and buy then ship customer service departments to other countries for 1/3 or more less than it would cost in the US.
It seems like one needs to have private investigator included in the family budget to get a true prospective on issues, companies, organizations, etc. |
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Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
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join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH | -sigh-
Yet another example of pure-partisanship from Karl. |
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Grumpy
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1 edit | [Insert sarcasm] Geez, price deregulation never hurt the airline industry, did it? Flying on an airliner operated by a carrier in the red is good for the consumer, right? EVERY airline carrier in the US (except for two) was operating at a loss in the boom days of 2001, 20 plus years after deregulation. The rates were regulated many years ago to prevent this, but I guess congress figured human nature had changed when they decided to deregulate. Here's another exciting deregulation fact - that big tractor trailer load of gasoline or propane behind you on the interstate? His industry profit average is 1.89% since deregulation. His company is one the the lucky few of the thousands that has not yet filed for bankruptcy. Happy motoring! |
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Beeper
Part Of The Problem
join:2001-09-27
Dayton, OH
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| reply to major marco
Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers
said by major marco :
Why don't you go back to spouting corporate media popular groupthink. It' what you do best, after all.
As opposed to your corporate media groupthink?
I'll take the TV networks over your red-greens terrorist empathizers anyday.
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LoungeLizard2
join:2003-11-21
Vallejo, CA | Doesn't tast like mint.
After reading that "report" (SBC-Verizon Ad), I'm not sure I can get the taste out of my mouth, and it sure doesn't taste like mint..... |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to Marilla
Re: -sigh-
Uh...this is America. You can disagree if you like. I know it's probably easier to fling dismissive labels, but you know....actually saying why you disagree is helpful. |
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LegoPower77
Abecedarian
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join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA
| reply to Beeper
Re: Another Day Another Ruse to RipOff Consumers
Yeah, I wouldn't bother with that guy, as most of the posters in here seem to be, he is obviously a partisan with a left-wing agenda. To get a measure on his ignorance, just look at his posting tag. Never mind Cheney sold all his stake in Halliburton at the democrats insistence (then he got pummeled later on for having insider knowledge and getting out before the stock went down). Never mind that the military contracting process goes in cycles and there was open bidding in 2001, never mind that Halliburton has provided logistical and personnel assistance in every major conflict going back to Vietnam, never mind that beloved Clinton contracted them to do work in Bosnia, never mind that the "price gouging" was to deliver fuel in a combat zone and that the "kick backs" were to pay back the Kuwaitis for giving us at cost fuel previously. Never mind all that: there must be some deep, dark conspiracy. And when the facts show otherwise, like the California "deregulation" debacle, he will just attack you as a corporate shill and suggest that your news source is suspect.
Q.E.D.
For further reading on Cheney and Halliburton
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