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Comments on news posted 2003-12-26 18:30:43: Still cooking in the oven, 802.11n promises to increase data speeds to 100mbps, but it's probably several years away. ..

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Oxygen
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Very Nice

Can't wait for it...

I am glad to see the technology evolving before our eyes... and fast.


72276539
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802.11g didn't work

And this won't either, hell, 802.11g doesn't work 100% still... why not make something that is a standerd work instead of complicating the mess with yet another wireless standard thats not even done. That would be too easy, but hey, if someone buys this crap before the standard is finished and gets burned, thats on them. And I will laugh at them because there will be people dumb enough to buy the equipment without a standard. Too bad the IEEE couldn't just stop posting what it was doing, would be fun for chip makers to have to see the entire standard before making chips. Would do wonders for getting everything talking correctly.
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SuperJudge
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 reply to Oxygen
Re: Very Nice

Except that I won't be able to keep up with all the pcmcia cards, daggit!
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Roop

join:2003-11-15
Ottawa, ON
reply to 72276539
Re: 802.11g didn't work

YES ANUBIS!!! that's exactly what i was thinking. also, picture and radio? that will never work either!

youngmoore

join:2001-03-16
Marietta, GA
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More to the point what about all those Centeno "Intel" chip sets out there in laptops?? most work with b,a,g but will they be able to upgrade them via firmware to use this new standard?? I don't think so. Seems like the faster we move ahead the more we leave behind.

ym


72276539
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reply to 72276539
Thank you for the asinine comment, may I have another?


technick
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Loganville, GA

Stop Developing Faster Speeds

Ok.. I shouldn't have to type this, but apparently some bozo's think that faster speeds are going to be the answers for everything.

»Wi-Fi Raises New Questions

Speaking for a security aspect, wireless is not secure enough to let someone connect at 11 mbs, much less 100 mbs. I would much rather have someone spamming at 11 vs. 100 on a unsecure 802.11n network.

We need to ditch the speed jumps and concentrate on dynamic wep rekeying, and other various security methods of securing wifi, and making it affordable to secure home and private networks at a cost lower than buying a new car.

Just my 5 cents again.


FutureMon
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reply to 72276539
Re: 802.11g didn't work

said by 72276539 See Profile:
And this won't either, hell, 802.11g doesn't work 100% still... why not make something that is a standerd work instead of complicating the mess with yet another wireless standard thats not even done. That would be too easy, but hey, if someone buys this crap before the standard is finished and gets burned, thats on them. And I will laugh at them because there will be people dumb enough to buy the equipment without a standard. Too bad the IEEE couldn't just stop posting what it was doing, would be fun for chip makers to have to see the entire standard before making chips. Would do wonders for getting everything talking correctly.

I was going to be the first post to this news article, but I couldn't come up with the right words. Looks like you nailed my thoughts exactly though.

Big companies would be stupid to invest in wireless at the rate they are coming up with new standards (unless of course they are just looking for a write-off).

Get the existing ones stable first is what I think they should do.

- FM
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verolom

join:2002-03-23
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reply to technick
Re: Stop Developing Faster Speeds

I disagree. If you want security, get wired. If you want speed and convenience, let the industry do its magic. Security is not a big deal to many of us, we just want speed!!!

I've had my wireless router open with no WEP and no MAC filters for almost a year now. I live in an apartment and no one has ever logged in to it yet.

Speed is good. Security? You'll never have it!


devrandom
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Hitting the floor

Obviously the standard is just theoretical speed ( isn't everything in this world that way? )..as was 54g. Interesting eh?

The thing about it is that these companies know about the technology already- its already kinda technically there. The IEEE just has to look everything over and make sure everything is alright.

Its kinda like software design and waiting for RFCs. I can design a framework application, that essentially will be the final product. Most of the major stuff is done mostly, like the interface, prompts and stuff. The only thing that I have to do later on is just make it standard a la RFC when it comes out. I know what to expect, so I can just adjust the application later and recompile it. Tada, finished application. Didn't even need to wait for a standard.

Back to hardware. Of course, in the hardware world, that analogy doesn't exactly fit. It comes close however. Makers build the chipsets, dump in UPnP support, a DHCP server (if you run a dhcpcd linux client and run it to a WGR614--you will smirk at this knowingly), and basically model what they can, and then make everything adjustable via firmware.

Unwittingly, this makes the inital hardware semi poor quality (or even better quality initally- depending on firmware settings) until the firmware update comes out..but even then, mostly the standard doesn't change much from expectations, therefore the firmware update is mostly a touch-up.


Unit649
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reply to verolom
Re: Stop Developing Faster Speeds

Agreed, mines been wide open because its simply easier for my friends if they come over to get onto my network than dealing with keys, etc. I have been logging for over 6 months and the only people who have connected are people who should be
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wireless_bounce

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"and the only people who have connected are people who should be"

... that you know of

8744675

join:2000-10-10
Decatur, GA

reply to 72276539
Re: 802.11g didn't work

Hopefully if Broadcom gets their feet in first, they will convice all the others to follow a single standard like they did with the short lived HPNA networking cards. HPNA net cards are one of the only peripherals (possibly the only ones) in recent times, where all manufacturers followed the same standard so there is only 1 driver that works for every brand of card. Microsoft and others should learn something from them instead of screwing the public by using proprietary standards that are incompatible with other versions. We still haven't got web browsers that will work on every site, and it's the web developers who take the brunt having to write 3 or 4 different versions of a website to work with incompatible browsers.

8744675

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reply to 72276539
Hopefully if Broadcom gets their feet in first, they will convince all the others to follow a single standard like they did with the short lived HPNA networking cards. HPNA net cards are one of the only peripherals (possibly the only ones) in recent times, where all manufacturers followed the same standard so there is only 1 driver that works for every brand of card. Microsoft and others should learn something from them instead of screwing the public by using proprietary standards that are incompatible with other versions. We still haven't got web browsers that will work on every site, and it's the web developers who take the brunt having to write 3 or 4 different versions of a website to work with incompatible browsers.


Andy8
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reply to verolom
Re: Stop Developing Faster Speeds

said by verolom See Profile:
I've had my wireless router open with no WEP and no MAC filters for almost a year now. I live in an apartment and no one has ever logged in to it yet.

Speed is good. Security? You'll never have it!

Being just a short jaunt down rt.35 away from me, what does the first person to accept your "invite" and successfully war-drive your 4800/930 connection and run a Kazaa server win?:D
*fires up the laptop*. j/k, but see my point?;)

Seriously, Being one who has a wireless LAN up and running, I still feel "naked" even though I have WEP and MAC filtering on.

Sure "speed is good" but 100mbps wireless LAN still will not get me a faster connection with my ISP.

I would also like to see it more secure first, before they start using those customers who absolutely HAVE to have the latest-greatest anything as beta-test guinea pigs.
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Hawk
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reply to youngmoore
Re: 802.11g didn't work

said by youngmoore See Profile:
Seems like the faster we move ahead the more we leave behind.
That's a very interesting point! Dose there come a point where speed becomes irrelevant?
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USAOwnz
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reply to devrandom
Re: Hitting the floor

Argh.... not another one at this rate you will have to buy a new router every year.
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Unit649
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reply to wireless_bounce
Re: Stop Developing Faster Speeds

Sure, because I know when my friends visit, and I check my logs weekly.

I have learned to do this quite religiously, since I have linux boxes hosting websites that get probed constantly.
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The Folsom
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reply to Unit649
said by Unit649 See Profile:
Agreed, mines been wide open because its simply easier for my friends if they come over to get onto my network than dealing with keys, etc. I have been logging for over 6 months and the only people who have connected are people who should be

I write the key for my(trusted) visitors and hand it to them on a piece of paper. When they have entered the key properly they are in the network and surfing happily along. Anyone who cannot properly input the key is excluded from my network.

Gotta have standards.
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ViviTheMage
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gee

thats awesome! Its evolving VERY fast. Before you know it...we will have gigavyte connections with 2 mile radiuses ....i wish! lol.
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