Stewy85
Premium
join:2003-01-16
Sharon, WI
clubs: | Yeah!
WOOHOO! |
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LegoPower77
Abecedarian
Premium
join:2002-08-03
Arlington, VA
|  Oh NO!
But, but, if it's unregulated, then the eeevil companies will be able to force us to buy it, become a monopoly and then take advantage of us (not necessarily in that order).
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to Stewy85
Bush & Ashcroft -- tap this!
You can tap my VoIP line when you pry my cold dead mouse off of it. |
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ditka_b
Premium
join:2001-10-05
Barrington, IL | OK OK Let the feds..
Tap into 2-300 hours a week of my wife blabbing on the phone to her sisters\Mom\Friends and see how they like that!!! |
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BosstonesOwn
join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs:
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| Why a backdoor ???
So some one can just find it and abuse the system... I think not. Voip tapping should be like the rest of the lines in the world tap the provider between em or intercept their packets and decrypt em. It's quite possible if they get on your cable sys or dsl sys to do from a head end or co.. Let em do it there. I for one thing no backdoor is a better idea. backdoors usually lead to security risks.
And don't it figure they only see the tax revenue . Some states just don't get it. We want cheaper prices and want less costs of living. Whats really that hard to understand.
I know this and I hail from taxachusetts. Figure the rest of the states would take a hint from all the companies and workers leaving our state.
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Bigbrother1
@cox.net | reply to ronpin
Re: Bush & Ashcroft -- tap this!
Any one can tap IP traffic, including Voip. |
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DougAustex
@65.248.x.x
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SBC Sucks!
I had a SBC rep stop by today. His business card listed his email address at RoadRunner.com. The old phone system is just that and the tax men and the gov't are all over this. There needs to be a new day and thank God for this judge in Minnesota for having balls of steel. I pay $50 a month in junk fees on my three phone lines at work. Hell, yes! It's time to start over. |
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
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1 edit | said by DougAustex:
I had a SBC rep stop by today. His business card listed his email address at RoadRunner.com. The old phone system is just that and the tax men and the gov't are all over this. There needs to be a new day and thank God for this judge in Minnesota for having balls of steel. I pay $50 a month in junk fees on my three phone lines at work. Hell, yes! It's time to start over.
Are you just trying to slam SBC? Are you just ignorant of the fact that SBC isn't affected by this? Perhaps it hasn't dawned on you yet that SBC doesn't sell service in Minnesota? Or maybe the fact that Roadrunner.com isn't a domain for AOLTW Roadrunner service...
You really sound intelligent posting this... Why not say that you hate General Motors and that a guy that tried to sell you a new Chevy truck drove into work in a car that said "Fred Mustang" on it?? That would be more intelligent...
Of course you should know that- considering that your IP (since you're not even registered) traces back to MCI marketing. Gee... you must be brilliant now! Unless you have controlling stock in MCI, you don't pay a dime for your phone service at work. Of course, your company hasn't paid a dime for anything anyways... Bankruptcy tends to do that... Hope you like working for the biggest accounting fraud in history!
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boogie74
join:2001-06-19
Neenah, WI
clubs:
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Re: Oh NO!
said by LegoPower77  :
But, but, if it's unregulated, then the eeevil companies will be able to force us to buy it, become a monopoly and then take advantage of us (not necessarily in that order).
You forgot that once they become a monopoly, then they were paid for with taxes!
Boogie |
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bigmf
@wi.net
| Of course this effects the criminals over at SBC; at least indirectly. Every court in the land that upholds open access is another nail in the cofin of the Bell Monopolies that caused the loss of 1 trillion dollars in private Capital durring the dot com bust. Talking about fraud over at MCI while ignoring the fact that SBC is the most fined on going quasi legal criminal enterprise in the US means nothing. Big Ed and his buddies down in San Antonio should be in in a cell next to Sadam because he and his lobyists have done more to harm America than Sadam and Moooomar combined. |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs:
| Sad
I think it's said that the system works this way.
quote:
two state agencies and Qwest, who would like to see providers like Vonage face telco-style regulations...states are eager to sink their teeth into the potential tax revenue provide by the flood of new VoIP customers
Shouldn't regulation be based on, ohhhh, whether or not things need to be regulated. Not based on potential tax revenue or some company, "would like to see" it happen. This is what happens when liberals and republicans get in bed with each other and have babies.
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA | Why should they be regulated?
Hell, if the FCC will not regulate the cable industry in terms of phone/data networking services, VoIP on a data network should stay as it is. |
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
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Re: SBC Sucks!
Interesting, boogie, that you're trying to pin this on MCI.
Given MCI's investment in circuit-switched technology, MCI stands to lose a lot in the transition to VoIP too. Of course, they may be more capable of handling change than the century old local monopolies....
Calvoiper
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calvoiper
join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA
| reply to Maxo
Re: Sad
You make a good point, but what you are really asking is whether government should collect taxes based on the real need to fund government programs, rather than politicians' desires to expand their power and patronage bases. Unfortunately, that question was largely answered the wrong way when the US adopted the Constitutional Amendment providing for a general income tax.
Calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies! |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
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Re: Oh NO!
Sure, like they were in PA when the telco took billions from Joe Taxpayer in exchange for deployment, didn't even come close to their deployment agreement and won't give the money back to the taxpayers who paid it. When SPECIFIC companies are earmarked for preferential treatment by tax authorities IN EXCHANGE FOR DEPLOYMENT...that's tax paid deployment...no matter how you telco shills spin it.
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in hoc signo
join:1999-09-12
Atlanta, GA
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Re: Sad
I don't know where the moderator got the info on Qwest, but here's what has happened:
»www.internetnews.com/bus-news/ar···/3111181
Qwest's Bold VOIP Push
By Colin Haley, November 19, 2003
If you can't beat 'em, join 'em. That's Qwest's (Quote, Chart) new outlook on voice over Internet protocol (define) competitors.
Beginning in early December, the Baby Bell will test the service in Minnesota, where a judge effectively exempted VOIP providers from taxes levied on telecoms and ultimately passed along to consumers.
"We are becoming one of them," Qwest CEO Dick Notebaert said during a conference call this morning. "Entry into VOIP might be the opportunity to break up the massive regulatory logjam and provide a service customers want."
VOIP may be the catalyst to deregulate the telecom industry. There's a good piece on this in today's Wall Street Journal: "FCC Is Poised to Clarify
Future of Internet Phone Calls" By ANNE MARIE SQUEO,
»online.wsj.com/article/0,,SB1074···ary%5Fhs |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | Interesting find. Goes to remind yourself to not take everything you hear (or read) for scripture. |
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kdandaoc
join:2003-10-13
608052427 | reply to in hoc signo
Does anybody with a brain really believe that the government isn't setting this up for a substantial new base of revenue? |
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mc5w
join:2002-06-14
Independence, OH
|  reply to ParanoiaInc
Re: Why should they be regulated?
The real utility of VOIP is that you can encrypt your conversation. Then, it does not matter if the government taps the line outside of your house. It takes a kazillion machine years to crack a 128-bit code even if you have an idea as to what the plain text is. For encrypted audio the government's computers would have to figure out what a valid audio track is. |
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redstepchild
Premium
join:2002-01-04
Birmingham, AL | reply to Stewy85
Woot WOO!
For Now!!! |
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