 oldframePipe DreamsPremium
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Houston, TX Reviews:
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| If the dsl companies push too hard, the cable companies will soon all have speeds like OOL.  . I think we have seen a lot of progress in the US Broadband market in the past 6 months. Maybe in 5 years we will have reached the QoS that Japan has now. | |
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Nirvana | If the dsl companies push too hard I figure if I don't get the 6mbs pkg. -- the terrorist will've won. | |
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00000 | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard said by ronpin:
I figure if I don't get the 6mbs pkg. -- the terrorist will've won.
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|  AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, said by oldframe:
the cable companies will soon all have speeds like OOL. . I think we have seen a lot of progress in the US Broadband market in the past 6 months. Maybe in 5 years we will have reached the QoS that Japan has now.
No doubt, OOL has got the speed, but many users have complained of getting capped when actually trying to use their connection.
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| | | The will have to push harder because not everyone is close to the CO.and they are not going to offer dsl to my neighborhood anyway. | |
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3000 down / 384 up
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| |  HangmnDon't Fight It...It's InevitablePremium
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Philadelphia, PA | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, 3000 down 768 up 5 static IPs 109 a month..... | |
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|  Jetta392Premium
join:2002-07-14
Martinsville, NJ | said by oldframe:
the cable companies will soon all have speeds like OOL. . I think we have seen a lot of progress in the US Broadband market in the past 6 months. Maybe in 5 years we will have reached the QoS that Japan has now.
It's weird how these article's never mention OOL and the speed for the price. Also I wonder how the competitive pricing will be once the other companies catch up to OOL. | |
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| | | Why dont they have a 1.5 Mbps - 3.0mbps service plan yet? im just slighty too far out for 6mbps. | |
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| | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, said by Deathsadvoca:
Why dont they have a 1.5 Mbps - 3.0mbps service plan yet? im just slighty too far out for 6mbps.
You can may be able to buy the 6 mbps plan soon. Afterwards, you can order it and they can cap you at 3mbps if you're too far out.
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|  japPremium
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038xx | OK, I'll bite: what's OOL? Everyone but me seems to know who/what they are. | |
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| | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, Optimum Online. Cable internet service in the Northeast (mostly NY state?) that offers ~10 megabit service for 40ish a month. Some complain that they exercise too many restrictions on what you can do with your connection regarding servers and other things.
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038xx | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, ahhh ... thank you. I know of the company but failed to make the OOL-acronym leap. Nice tagline, BTW. | |
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| | | | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: If the dsl companies push too hard, said by jap:
Nice tagline, BTW.
Thanks. Its from an IM that jcallari  sent me about a thread. Gems are found in the strangest places. 
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Orange, CT | Faster It's about time they offer 3Mbps.
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| | | Re: Faster DSL and Cable Companies can offer 1000mbits and we'll end up spending 10 mins online...Why? More and More Broadband companies are setting up Download/upload caps... It takes about 2 hours to download 1 gig of a divx movie on cable here...You can't watch many hours of divx movies online with that kind of download caps. Alot of people had their cable accounts cancelled for exceeding the download/upload caps... All this speed increase is just hype....
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| | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: Faster said by weblearner:
DSL and Cable Companies can offer 1000mbits and we'll end up spending 10 mins online...Why? More and More Broadband companies are setting up Download/upload caps... It takes about 2 hours to download 1 gig of a divx movie on cable here...You can't watch many hours of divx movies online with that kind of download caps. Alot of people had their cable accounts cancelled for exceeding the download/upload caps... All this speed increase is just hype....
weblearner
SBC does not have download caps.
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14225-2105 | Re: Faster said by AmeritecTech:
SBC does not have download caps.
...yet. We'll see. | |
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join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: Faster said by rchandra:
said by AmeritecTech:
SBC does not have download caps.
...yet. We'll see.
I'm not aware of any DSL providers in the US that have implemented bandwidth caps yet. We'll see, but I doubt SBC will.
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14225-2105 | Re: Faster True enough...I guess I should have also included:
Many of these broadband companies are reducing $$$ rates and increasing bitrates, and it seems like they will be feeling a (lack of) profit crunch. Ergo, some have implemented per-month caps. I guess what I'm saying is, unless the upstreams discount their services even more than they have already, I look for this cap biz to proliferate throughout all residential broadband packages across all sectors.
I wonder if we can get someone to post some detail about non-NA (especially Korean or Japanese) operators, especially whether they impose any limits on their comparatively ridiculous speeds for ridiculously little $$$.
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| | | | | | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: Faster Many foreign providers that I've seen offer much faster speeds at a much better price. I know in the UK in particular, broadband is not as popular as it is here, and companies have to slash prices pretty far to get buyers into the market.
I think the caps have proliferated as an attempt to get the "Joe AOL" customers, the guy who uses his broadband to get his e-mail and download Bonzi Buddy, and to discourage more sophisticated users from signing up who tend to use more of the bandwidth. The Joe AOL customers probably cost them a heck of a lot less in bandwidth, though perhaps a bit more in technical support cost.
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Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: Faster said by Rambo76098:
I dont exactly know what you mean by "download caps" but there has been a few times that i was capped at the wrong speeds for the package i was signed up for, which was corrected after i made a fuss and pointed out the problem, but this is probably something completely different.
Comcast, for example, warns you if you download too much in a monthly period. If you continue to download more than they want you to, they terminate your service.
From the post I was responding to:
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More Broadband companies are setting up Download/upload caps... It takes about 2 hours to download 1 gig of a divx movie on cable here...You can't watch many hours of divx movies online with that kind of download caps. Alot of people had their cable accounts cancelled for exceeding the download/upload caps...
Yes, SBC has speed caps, but not download caps.
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Seattle, WA | There was a post with SBC=Pacbell details/guesses, but the censoring admin deleted it. | |
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Torrance, CA |  Cool................
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United State | Re: Cool................ weeeeeeee! | |
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join:2002-08-24
On Four Day
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| Woohoo! I sure hope I can re-rate and up my speeds because I'll be jumping in the faster lane for sure. I'm just glad I don't have Charter...overpriced. I'm happy with my dish tv.
Now we just need some faster upload!
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
3 edits | Less robust caps... Keep on Roberts...no point in multi-megabit CAPPED services including your joke of a usenet offering. More robust my ass. While offering slightly higher speed (since here in SoCal they haven't rolled out speed increases), Comcast offers a substantially higher price and giant 30+% penalties for those not wanting crappy CATV service.
Thanks but no thanks. I cancelled CC and went to VoL the second they deployed...for 1/2 the price, 10 times the features and I'm not missing a robust anything except the fat monthly CC bill which between HSI and a 3rd party usenet subscription since CC has a 1GB cap on news was over $60/mo even without their non-CATV sub penalties.
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Granite City, IL
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·AT&T Southwest
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| And remember we are in the forums too...
MrFixitCT = CT primarily,
David = Ameritech, SWBT, Pacbell, backup for SNET when fixit is not around
CCCMTech = ISP tech all regions
kmac1 = Ameritech, SWBT, Pacbell,
Matthew = Pacbell, Ameritech, SWBT
We are around, we might be very busy, but we are around.. and possibly more official support to come eventually. There are also visitors that also (SBC employees and contractor techs) that visit also and help a great deal in the forums..
Thanks again
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Tempe, AZ | Re: And remember Many thanks for actually being around to read and respond to people's problems and concerns.
I wish all ISPs were like that. | |
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|  JTRockvilleData HoPremium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD | Providing "official" support here in BBR's forums speaks volumes to SBC's level of commitment to quality and customer satisfaction.
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join:2000-04-26
Chicago, IL
2 edits |  Don't ask how I know this....
There is no 3MB package. SBC service level for the 6MB package is 3MB. If you get less than 3, you can complain and they will bump you back to the the 1.5 package at the 1.5 price....anything over 3 and you meet their standard for the $44.95 1.5 - 6 package.
The $26.95 package will go back to $29.95.
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| | ready and cant wait well for sure im gonna renew my contract for this great deal. does any1 know the number for the dsl contract renewal?
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|  AdamB
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Columbus, OH | Re: ready and cant wait You can just call customer service and say you'd like to renew your contract.
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| | | If you "renew", you will pay the $50+ "already a member" rate, not the new pricing rate. That's why I got rid of SBC DSL at home. Once my contract was up, it was $50/month. If I renewed, it was still $50/month. Now I'm with Adelphia, pay $29/month with no contract, get between 2 - 3 Mbps download speeds, and so far haven't hit any caps. But we'll see if that happens this summer when I start listening to baseball games on streaming audio  Other things that bugged me about SBC: 1)I was dropped every night at 10:45, like clockwork. SBC couldn't give me a reason, just "oh well, it happens." 2) I was 1000 FT (yes you read that correctly!) from the CO, but getting someone out to fix a problem (and there were lots of them!) took over a week.. or longer.. I think I'll just stick with Adelphia.. for now.. | |
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| | AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: ready and cant wait said by honeybl:
If you "renew", you will pay the $50+ "already a member" rate, not the new pricing rate. That's why I got rid of SBC DSL at home. Once my contract was up, it was $50/month. If I renewed, it was still $50/month. Now I'm with Adelphia, pay $29/month with no contract, get between 2 - 3 Mbps download speeds, and so far haven't hit any caps. But we'll see if that happens this summer when I start listening to baseball games on streaming audio Other things that bugged me about SBC: 1)I was dropped every night at 10:45, like clockwork. SBC couldn't give me a reason, just "oh well, it happens." 2) I was 1000 FT (yes you read that correctly!) from the CO, but getting someone out to fix a problem (and there were lots of them!) took over a week.. or longer.. I think I'll just stick with Adelphia.. for now..
I'm not sure why you couldn't upgrade to a promotional rate. Generally speaking, current customers qualify for promotions. You just have to re-up your contract for a year. As to the 10:45 dropout, this is almost certainly a disturber at your premises. A dimmer switch, a neighbor's motion-sensing light...something along those lines.
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I'm not sure why you couldn't upgrade to a promotional rate. Generally speaking, current customers qualify for promotions. You just have to re-up your contract for a year.
This was in 2002. I was told, in no uncertain terms by the SBC reps that I called, that "previous customers did not qualify for 'new customer' rates." So, I upgraded to cable, and I love it. I was reading in the local LA area paper they are adding another fiber-optic backbone in my area. ooOOOOOoohhh could that mean even higher speeds for me?? I certainly hope so! *dreams of the day of terabyte downloads...* | |
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Hermitage, TN | Hmmm...I wish i could get 1.5 for $29.99  | |
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| | response This is great! If it's true i can dump cable because it's every crappy on the local node and get fast dsl. | |
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Pittsburgh, PA |  I am sure Verizon will run out and invest (not)
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join:2002-07-24
Lexington, KY | Yeah right. I think I'd prefer if broadband providing companies would fix their problems before they start trying to offer higher speeds. I've had both DSL and cable. They both have many problems which the companies seem to just dismiss, and in fact make excuses for on their webpages.
I prefer stability over speed. Neither of the services I had were stable. Unfortunately though, Americans seem to be drawn to speed when it comes to just about everything. When it really shouldn't be as high in the list as plain old stability. The broadband companies know this love for speed, so they are playing people with this bogus 6mbps crap that they probably can't even sustain. | |
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| | There's more to QoS than just Speed/Price - Right? I'm happy with my 1.7 down 137 up with SBC for now. But I read somewhere DSL has advantages over cable in latency and consistency? Do most of the non-speed advantages belong to DSL or Cable? Why don't the Telcos advertise those advantages instead of just going on speed and price? | |
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| AmeritecTechChange we can believe in, 1922Premium
join:2002-09-06
Houston, TX
kudos:6 | Re: There's more to QoS than just Speed/Price - Right? said by PacCoast:
I'm happy with my 1.7 down 137 up with SBC for now. But I read somewhere DSL has advantages over cable in latency and consistency? Do most of the non-speed advantages belong to DSL or Cable? Why don't the Telcos advertise those advantages instead of just going on speed and price?
That's generally true, but as always, either DSL or cable can be lousy or excellent, depending on the provider. Why don't they advertise it? Most people don't grasp the difference between latency and bandwidth. They want to know how fast their Kazaa (spyware edition) downloads will come in. Even among more intelligent users, you see gamers comparing bandwidth rather than latency. I can't tell you how many times I've seen users in the forums asking how much their ping will decrease if they upgrade to a faster (higher bandwidth) package.
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| | Yaeahrarhar, in my best Dean voice. I wish Bellsouth would offer something like this  | |
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| | Please have a decent upload speed in the new offer All I hope for, is that the new offerings have a decent upload speed!
I have 2000down/256up with Charter in Madison, WI for $40/month and I would jump at the chance for anything with a 512 or higher upload speed. I used to go with TDS at 768/768 in Madison, which was a ***DREAM*** but when I moved across town, I was out of range from their central office. I am about a block away from an SBC central office, though.
Please!!!! Offer a 6mbps/1mbps deal!!!! | |
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| ronpinImagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | Re: Please have a decent upload speed in the new o said by waynemr:
Please!!!! Offer a 6mbps/1mbps deal!!!!
ADSL upload spec is limited to 640kbs (not too shabby for most of us) | |
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| | Yeah...yeah...hohum... I have asked SBC to install RT's in my neighborhood for 2 years now. They promise and promise, but nothing shows up. Even if they lower their prices to $0, the cable companies will still not flinch...much...as cable still has the best penetration in the broadband connection services, IMO. So SBC...when will you hook us up? | |
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| | Wooooohoooooooooo Wow thas some mighty good speeds, I just hope I get the email I want because I know alot of peeps are going to order it.
With those speeds I dont mind my other three brothers with their pcs takin up the bandwith. | |
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join:2002-10-01
North Babylon, NY |  Charter
384/128 for $30? Yeah right! | |
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|  Jon GebWal-Mart Sucks
join:2001-01-09
Howell, MI | Re: Charter Not my Charter. I get 2.0/256 solid everyday everytime. Runs like a champ. | |
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| | | | Re: Charter You're lucky. My speeds have to decreased to just under 1.5 in the last 2 weeks. The nitwits in the local office haven't a clue as to why. I have to CONSTANTLY call them to find out what is going on.
Thank god I have the nubmer to the local office and don't have to go through the joke of the tier 1 support mess. | |
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join:2002-05-09
Clarendon Hills, IL | SO what? Still the underlying problem with DSL is the frickin' distance, what could I get at 12,000 feet from the CO with the new tier? Probably a 1mbps max rate while with my Comcast I could be seeing 3mbps soon, but we'll see if that ever happens. | |
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|  pflogBueller? Bueller?Premium,MVM
join:2001-09-01
El Dorado Hills, CA
kudos:3 | Re: SO what? You're overlooking the fact that the majority of SBC's customers or potential customers are within range of their many RTs, much more so than COs. So there is huge room for growth. | |
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2 edits | Happy Qwest Customer I just got re-hooked up with qwest after hearing they were upping their speeds to 1.5Mbps/1Mbps on february 7th for the same $28/month line charge + 6.99 qwest.net broadband basic isp charge. Hells yeah. Formerly 640/256 for close to $50 a month. Now only $34.99 a month. 1 mb upload is crazy for that price.
These are up-to speeds, like up to 1.5mbps and up to 1 mbps. If your line can pull-it you will see the speeds. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: Happy Qwest Customer said by SoilFlames:
I just got re-hooked up with qwest after hearing they were upping their speeds to 1.5Mbps/1Mbps on february 7th for the same $28/month line charge + 6.99 qwest.net broadband basic isp charge. Hells yeah. Formerly 640/256 for close to $50 a month. Now only $34.99 a month. 1 mb upload is crazy for that price.
These are up-to speeds, like up to 1.5mbps and up to 1 mbps. If your line can pull-it you will see the speeds.
Actually the spec on adsl is 860kbps on the upload and after you add in PPPoE/A overhead you'll be lucky to see 700kbps and that would be under optimum conditions.
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| | | | Re: Happy Qwest Customer Ill take 700k up!!! I had @Home in 1997 with no upload caps and that was a hoot getting 3 meg up and down. I was lucky and got in on a broadband trial for my company and they were picking up the tab for US West (now Qwest) 768k up/down DSL. Reliability wise, DSL has it over cable for stability. Even with no cable caps back then my DSL @ 768 was just a touch slower overall.
Now with upload caps at Cox HSI being 256k, you can have 6 meg down available, but if you max out the upload, you essentially bring your down to the up speed!! These download speed increases are pretty much a scam unless they match with upload increases.
Rule of thumb, if you can't get 1/2 the up as your down, unless you just surf the web or get e-mails, you are NOT going to be able to fully use your download speeds.
I'll take ~1.2 meg down and ~700k up on DSL over 3 meg down and 256k up on cable any freaking day of the week, especially since I am potentially subnetted with 1019 other people sharing the line!!!
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join:2001-08-30
Springfield, OR | quote:
Actually the spec on adsl is 860kbps on the upload
I don't think that's true. Qwest has been offering standard ADSL with 1Mbps upload for years. All the ADSL modems I've seen in recent times also support up to 1Mbps upload (such as the Actiontec 1524 Qwest currently gives out). | |
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join:2001-06-23
Long Beach, CA
kudos:1 | Re: Less Robust? HA! quote:
CEO Brian Roberts openly taunted the DSL industry price reductions - even SBC's impressive 1.5mbps for $26.95 - calling DSL a "less robust product", which should cost less. Instead of engaging in price-pugilism, Comcast's response
Nothing couild be "less robust" than Charter's 2.0/128. If I lived in SBC territory, I would switch in a heart beat. And to top it off, the DSL choice in my area is Verizon. GAK!
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