bokamba
Chengdu Rocks
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join:2002-04-05
Falls Church, VA | Scary!
I often use the "Open" option. Thank goodness I use Mozilla Firebird more often these days! |
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acehyde
Tired.
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join:2001-08-14
clubs: | Just another reason to dump IE
Here is a prime reason why I choose not to use IE as my main web browser. Too many vulnerabilities, not enough action taken when they are found.
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tdp17
join:2001-04-24
Charlotte, NC
| Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
I'm glad people point out these problems, it creates a better product. I'm happy knowing that even though there are all these exploits and such, Microsoft fixes them to the best of their ability, leaving a browser that is better secured than before. As for the other browsers, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, etc. they may seem as the best alternative, but does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media? no. Instead, they make an update available and keep it all hush, hush from the media making it seem like they have no problems or exploits. The other browsers are much more vunerable to exploits than ie. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
 ·Comcast
| almost ready to remove IE
I am pretty close to removing IE from all the computers I and my family use. I use firebird now at work and on "mom n dad's" computer at home, but my son and wife still use IE.
One more security vulnerability for IE and I will make the whole family start using firebird.
The only reason I keep IE around at all is that there are still web pages out there that will only work or display properly when using IE. |
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Nam Vet
Premium
join:2001-12-03
Allentown, PA
| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
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The other browsers are much more vunerable to exploits than ie.
LOL, yea sure they are
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Lumberjack
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join:2003-01-18
Newport News, VA
| How many of you have actually been exploited?
I've been using IE since before Windows95 and have yet to have had problems with any of these exploits during all of my web adventures.
I suppose that because I am technology inclined I know better than to do stupid things so maybe it's just a matter of education. And like said above people find things and they eventually get fixed. When Firebird gets an exploit it's probably fixed and pushed under the rug. When IE has an issue everybody jumps Microsoft's shit, as usual.
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Nam Vet
Premium
join:2001-12-03
Allentown, PA | reply to bokamba
Re: Scary!
me too, Well only from trusted sites and usually only pdf's,
but no longer! |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02
Host:
Road Runner
PC gaming GAMES
PC gaming Tech
| reply to Lumberjack
Re: How many of you have actually been exploited?
Same. I've always used IE despite the inferences I'm inept/clueless/stubborn. Never have been exploited. Never have been hacked.
Then again I've been on-line since Wildcat! BBS days and I've never run an anti-virus program. I've been infected once in all that time.
Common sense makes up for a lot..... |
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CO_Chris
Premium
join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO
·Comcast
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| IE blows
After i have read all the holes in IE over the past year i was looking got a new browser .My wife was like WTF is this it's mot IE i said watch this when i got a fake email from earthstinks about billing.That is when i download that spoof patch that M$ did not like and it showed the fake site. Well now my wife knows what's the deal is and we use Mozilla and now Firebird witch i like better it loads faster
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R4M0N
Brazilian Soccer Ownz Joo
join:2000-10-04
Glen Allen, VA
·Comcast
| Go ahead and remove IE!
Then Firebird or some other browser will become the biggest and also the target to all this scrutiny. I would love to come back here in a few years and see the same people bitching about how they are removing **insert next big browser name here**
Yes, the browser is full of security holes, but believe me, if half the people looking for holes in IE were also looking for holes in other browsers, we would ditch browsing alltoguether (well, at least some of you would). |
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mladd
join:2002-12-20
Ooltewah, TN
| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
tdp17,
It's actually the other way around. Due to numerous "enhancements" and "features" in IE and it's to-close-for-comfort integration with the OS and other apps (like Outlook) they practically build these vulnerabilities into it's own product.
Instead of "does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media?" you should be asking
"does anyone at Microsoft really test for these errors in it's own browser before releasing to the public" The answer would be the same. no.
I used alternate browsers, and now even an alternate OS. I just could no longer go on trusting Microsoft and it's products to provide the basic security in a normal home PC.
Using a PC should not mean having to first check every day to see if there are new updates and security releases available. You shouldn't have to go out and scan the virus boards to see if some new virus has sprung up. You shouldn't have to run an auto update (or download the latest DAT files) for you virus software. You shouldn't have to go out to the stores and buy new virus/firewall/spy-ware-protection/security software every few months. True, I may be exaggerating a bit, but you get my point.
After all is said and done.... It should just work.
That may be ignorant of me, but that's just my opinion of what what a personal computer SHOULD be.
-Mike |
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pcdebb
RIP dadkins
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join:2000-12-03
Tampa, FL
clubs: | it's gonna happen.....
...I'll give it a month before someone writes a virus/worm/trojan to take advantage of the exploit. |
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glorybox48
join:2001-02-08
Little Ferry, NJ
| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
said by tdp17  :
As for the other browsers, Mozilla, Netscape, Opera, etc. they may seem as the best alternative, but does anyone really test for errors in these browsers and report them to media?
You DO realize that many of these "other browsers" have been invulnerable to several huge IE exploits (including this extension spoofing and phishing) in the first place, right.. ? Wouldn't you rather -not need- a patch in the first place for a problem that doesn't exist? |
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evagilon
join:2003-01-10
Imperial Beach, CA | reply to tdp17
yeah right. when was the last update for ie again?
11/5/03.
as for keeping hushed, msnbc regularly notes when updats come out. |
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GNXPower
Got Boost?
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join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA | reply to tdp17
Fixing them to the best of their ability would mean they're fixing them.
They aren't.
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CO_Chris
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join:2001-08-28
Broomfield, CO
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Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
Hmmmmmmmm i say the hell with IE its BS. I was a Big IE fan til i started seeing the holes it has F&*&K M$ I am happy that people are using other Browsers just to she that M$ is not the S%^T
Remember a few months ago someone made a patch for IE??? well what happed it worked and Microcrap made then take it down Y?? because someone knew how to fix there crap and they did not. I got the patch but don't use IE anymore.
so Whatever |
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ArchAngel21x
MacFan Pro
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join:2001-10-28
Lincoln, NE
 ·Internet Nebraska
| reply to nasadude
Re: almost ready to remove IE
said by nasadude :
The only reason I keep IE around at all is that there are still web pages out there that will only work or display properly when using IE.
I like Firebird, but I keep on truckin' with IE because of the reason you stated.
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raye
Premium
join:2000-08-14
Orange, CA
| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc
Perhaps you should check out »umbrella.mx.tc/ before you make such a grand statement. 35 unpatched IE vulnerabilities vs 6 for Netscape and 1 for Mozilla.
I checked the site most recently yesterday, however it seems to have some difficulty accessing it as of 7 AM PST 01/29/04.
Mozilla does not have the phishing exploit that IE user have been tricked with. |
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stufried
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join:2003-10-13
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| reply to tdp17
Re: Sick of hearing "that's why I use Mozilla, etc."
Microsoft is a victim of its own success. Hackers and researchers are concentrating on the Microsoft line of products because they have the largest market share. I'm not sure that the question is whether the same programmer (spending an equal amount of time) could find an exploit in Mozilla, Netscape, or Opera, but whether obscurity creates an additional measure of security.
For example, if I drive a Holden in Australia, it is likely to get ripped off. It is an easy car to steal and every thief knows how to "hotwire" it in about three seconds. If I take that Holden to the US, however, it is less likely to be ripped off, because US car thieves aren't spending their time learning how to steal cars that aren't readily available. Holden's security may be worse than say a Jeep's, but I've personally increased my security by going with the odd-ball car. |
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Masque
join:2001-12-04
Auburn, MI
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to R4M0N
Re: Go ahead and remove IE!
said by R4M0N :
Then Firebird or some other browser will become the biggest and also the target to all this scrutiny. I would love to come back here in a few years and see the same people bitching about how they are removing **insert next big browser name here**
Yes, the browser is full of security holes, but believe me, if half the people looking for holes in IE were also looking for holes in other browsers, we would ditch browsing alltoguether (well, at least some of you would).
Precisely. These people will ALWAYS go for the big gun....just to show their peers they can. As I had written in another forum, in the pre-NT days the O/S with the biggest and most holes was Unix.....until NT became popular. Then the hacks out there started going for them. The big gun's always the target. |
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