| "The GPL has stopped surprisingly few lawsuits, IMHO"|
I am curious as to what you base your humble opinion on because from here its does not look like it is anything approaching facts.
The GPL has not stopped stopped lawsuits? I am not sure what you are trying to say but if I read the sentence on its face then I have to disagree. The GPL has in fact stopped many lawsuits. That is lawsuits where the owner of the copyright, who released their code under the GPL requests that a violator of the GPL comply with the terms of the license. The violator, understanding their rights under the license, presumably after consulting with attorneys has in all cases to date complied with the copyright holders request, without a lawsuit.
As for an example one need look no further than the very subject of this thread, the Linksys use of GPL'd Linux code. Linksys was in 2003 discovered to have used GPL code in their routers but had not complied with the GPL license and released their modifications in source code to the community. They were alerted to this fact and after some conversations with the copyright holders, a letter or two from the FSF and others Linksys complied with the GPL license and released the code. The GPL 100% had to do with preventing a lawsuit with Linksys as the defendent. This has happened many times before and the GPL will undoubtedly continue with its track record of stopping lawsuits in their tracks.
Also I a curious why you think you can sue for reverse engineering? You do know that reverse engineering is protected behaviour right? That you have the right to reverse engineer a product, produce a specification and then publish a work alike? Had this no been the case Compaq would never have been able to start the whole IBM clone business. Now it is true that your reverse engineered system could violate some patents, but then patents are public so you do not have to reverse engineer patented features, only license them, or create a work alike that does not violate the patent.
Now as far as patents and the GPL, yes if there is a patent then the GPL, a license, does not idemnify you from violating others patents. That is if you as the originator of a program violate some other entities patents. However if you actually would read the GPL you would know that the GPL specifically requires that any algorithms that the author of the software has patented and has placed in the GPL code they must, in order to use and/or comply with the GPL license provide royalty free rights to use said patent.
That is you cannot poison a GPL'd program with a patent. Eben is a smart guy, they thought of that one already. Section 7 of the terms and conditions if you are curious.
As a final word, does the GPL work? Resoundingly yes, here we have a case of a proprietary company using GPL'd code, as it is allowed to do, to create a product which is a successful product, they released their changes to the community and now others have taken it and improved on it again. Now Linksys can take those changes and re-integrate them back into their product.
Isn't it wonderful when your own customers implement a key feature that will help you hold or even advance more market share in home based wireless devices? Does it get any better?
If Linksys does re-integrate these changes then the circle will be complete and the superiority of the GPL license to continue to advance innovation in software will once again be demonstrated.
| |GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
Huntington Beach, CA
It's like TiVo People came/come out with software patches to run hardware like internal NICs with series 1 and they find their way into actual release software.
I think Linksys should embrace the 3rd party enthusiasm. They get to sell the hardware and get free insight as to what people really want. Personally I haven't used the firmware but after reading today's article think I could benefit from QoS in my HN and will give it a try.
Mac Truth »members.cox.net/clyqz/macs.html
Re: It's like TiVo what sort of logging do you want? it shows the current dhcp clients. im not sure what the log page on the router's web interface is supposed to show since its always blank. but with the sveasoft firmware, just log into the router and pull the logs that way, you can get a syslog, or active connections, or dhcp leases, or whatever you want. and it also supports remote logging, do that with any other router.
as for security being worse in hacks. maybe if the firmwares were being coded by people with only half a brain, but theyre open source, if anything theyre going to be more secure. example: IIS has a new exploit every day, its closed source. Apache, open source, rarely has any security issues.
this router is super, especially after being able to set routing rules by hand, and QoS.
the designs may suck, but im hooked on linksys now
| |The BeerI Love It When A Plan Comes TogetherPremium
Too Many Features! There is a reason that Linksys does not include this feature set, it's called Cisco!
"And here is our $10,000 traffic shaper box the Cisco XYZ2700 with PIX" as the customer interrupts him, tell me more about this $100 wireless firewall you have...
| |richk_1957If ..Then..ElsePremium
A question This might be to much for something we are getting essentially, for free, but..
Is this upgrade documented anywhere? What it does, what new features there are and how to configure/use them? (a PDF file or something like it?) It would be nice if I got in a jam somehow to have something to refer to, although I could hook the PC directly to the modem or bring the BEFSR41 out of mothballs & use it and cry for help:p
Also, the last time I did a flash upgrade, my wireless stopped working. I have a Linksys wireless-G PCI network card and I eventually someone told me to get an updated driver. I downloaded it, burnt it to a cd & brought it to the wireless PC where I updated the driver. BINGO, everything worked fine.
Will I have the same problem here? If yes, where can I get drivers for the NIC, because once you flash something, there's no going back...