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There is a big difference between an exploit and an exploited exploit.
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[capt. kirk] Scotty! We need more power! Keep that force field firewall up! [/kirk]
[scotty] I'm givin' it all I got captain! She's not going to hold! [/scotty]
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They said they go right around the firewall like it wasn't even there.
Get a linksys. Software firewalls are good, but if the OS is compromised they are useless:).
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security experts expect hackers to take advantage of the vulnerabilities in a matter of weeks or less
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It's nice of all these hundreds upon hundreds of windows exploits are finally surfacing.
The question is, how many people were farked because of it?
It's like KDE having over 10,000 bug fixes / tweaks / optimizations to the GUI. How many people really noticed all of them?
Dude, the problem is that NOBODY KNOWS HOW MANY PEOPLE WERE FARKLED AND THEY NEVER WILL...
KDE DOES NOT RUN AS ROOT... The signifigance of which is no doubt lost upon you.
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2 edits | Re: logic? said by Mike :
Thank you for the personal attack. Try not to do it again. I know they slip sometimes when trying to prove someone is an idiot.
KDE is an application which the user runs and by default not with root permissions. I run linux, I own a couple macs, and I have a windows box (for games). I'm also not generally stupid.
Besides, sit on a linux topic IRC channel and see the response being logged in as root@x.~
It's rather amusing.
What personal attack... talk stupid... get called on it... What is so personal about that?
Get your facts straight and document a clue and you'll have no problems in the arena...
Yes logic wins... you have to have logic to win... or... "What's in a name?"
I suppose you can ban me...
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Why would I ban you?
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1 edit | Holy crap! I just ran windows update and it says there is nothing for me to update. OMG! I am a sitting duck. Please, help!
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| Ohh man! I'm SOOOO Screwed! When my boss finds out about this I am going to lose my job! Please help me patch this thing up before all the worms and trojans come running in!
SOS!
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2 edits | Re: Ohh man! I'm SOOOO Screwed! •Microsoft Windows NT® Workstation 4.0 Service Pack 6a – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Service Pack 6a – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows NT Server 4.0 Terminal Server Edition Service Pack 6 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 2, Microsoft Windows 2000 Service Pack 3, Microsoft 2000 Windows Service Pack 4 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows XP, Microsoft Windows XP Service Pack 1 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition, Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Service Pack 1 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003, Microsoft Windows XP 64-Bit Edition Version 2003 Service Pack 1 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows Server™ 2003 – Download the update.
•Microsoft Windows Server 2003 64-Bit Edition – Download the update.
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| 2 legit, 2legit 2 quit! The part about it not being available on Windows update is totally legit! I downloaded it from the link provided by you here: »www.microsoft.com/technet/treevi···-007.asp
Thanks for the link! 
As for the losing my job, that was to add to the drama.  But you did provide me what I was looking for.
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I got the updates from WU a couple of hours before this article even broke out.
I heard about the exploit while watching Fox News (Neil Cavuto) and immediately checked Windows Update. Sure enough, they were there. Updated my XpPro boxen and my W2K server box (That had two).
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| Re: Download patch here How do I know that link isn't some weird re-direct or something? I'm afraid that when I do my Windows update, I may not really be at Microsoft, but at some strange Austrian web site owned by some 16 year-old kid who'll plant strange stuff on my PC.
FWIW, how do I know this is really Broadband Reports? I could be hijacked right now!
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Seriously though, I've been lovin my perfectly stable 98SE for some years now. I suppose my work PC is fooked though. I might get on XP by SP3-4...;)
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| hi i am a l33t linux g33k half the people that whine don't even know what they are whining about.
you all got your dell computers preinstalled with xp and all you can do now is whine. seriously, stop it. bugs are there and will be. the ones that are patched have been found. so if something has been there since the release of a program 2 years ago but never found by those who do that for a living, chance is that well... you are pretty safe. | |
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| Re: hi i am a l33t linux g33k said by Augustus III :
so if something has been there since the release of a program 2 years ago but never found by those who do that for a living, chance is that well... you are pretty safe.
... or not ... you see "Oh, l33t, Linux g33k wanna be"...
The are are those professionals who don't call up Microsux and give them six months to fix their sheite.
But you're so l33t that you don't worry at all about the Intelligence communities of a dozen nations or organized crime...
I'm REALLY impressed with all the professional sarcasm in this thread...
BAWAHAHAHAHAH Microsoft manages to get a little bity think tank to keep their mouths shut for SIX MONTHS WHILE THEY FIGURE OUT HOW TO FIX THEIR OWN STUFF. IOW it took Microsoft six months to FIGURE OUT how to fix this one.
Jeeeeezzzzeweeee.... yep... that's impressive.
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Mesquite, TX | Laissez Faire? M$ believes in $inning first and a$king for forgiveness later. Unbelievable to know this exploit and sit on it for six months.
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1 edit | hmm... does this policy work though... i mean microsoft said that it doesn't want to make bugs and exploits public because that would make it easier for hackers to exploit it.
and in the report it said that this 6 month old exploit has not been exploited.
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While there are no documented cases of attacks yet, security experts expect hackers to take advantage of the vulnerabilities in a matter of weeks or less
(wait they had 6 months right?)
well... now that the bug is public they estimate 2 weeks or less... but what if the bug was never public?
well... as far as I'm concerned it seems that sitting on it does work 
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| Re: Laissez Faire? Security through obscurity? Doesn't work very well, I'm afraid. There could very well be exploits out for this right now, and it's just being kept quiet...afterall, if MS doesn't (seem to) notice, then it's the greatest 'sploit ever! Unpatched because there are no patches, and everyone is your slave! At least if you were aware of the problem you could have prevented these theoretical-crackers from doing what they want.
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| Re: how long before big bad virii emerge? Not me, I figure it has already been exploited by real professionals. You know these Microsoft lovers spend all their time whining about the "kids" who write this stuff, while in the *nix world, we have been dealing with PROFESSIONALS who exploit these holes for a very long time... "One flew over the..." yeah, whatever.
I see all this whining and complaining. "If you were number one they'd be after you too." Hell, kids, *nix STILL rules the server world. WE ARE NUMBER ONE. Nobody runs as many servers. So step back, take a look at reality. Which would you rather crack, a desktop or a server? Well... There you go...
No, my money is this one has already been exploited by one or another Intel shop or one or another professional criminal.... In the *nix world when we are compromised, there is exactly one option. Reformat... Reinstall... Know why? Because we GET it. We know what it means when someone gets "root". Microsoft and way too many others DO NOT GET IT, 'cause it means exactly the same thing when someone gets "Administrator". Once a trojan is on your system, you can no longer trust the system. PERIOD. END OF STORY. Yet, we see all sort supposed professionals telling us how to recover from this or that trojan...
There is only one way and it is not the Microsoft way.
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ell, kids, *nix STILL rules the server world. WE ARE NUMBER ONE
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There is only one way and it is not the Microsoft way.
Ah yes, the One True Path advocate/zealot.
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In the *nix world when we are compromised, there is exactly one option. Reformat... Reinstall... Know why? Because we GET it. We know what it means when someone gets "root". Microsoft and way too many others DO NOT GET IT, 'cause it means exactly the same thing when someone gets "Administrator".
Besides the fact that you went on a tangent in one sentence, you are also not making sense. We reformat and reinstall everything because we use the word root, which means the same as administrator in Windows?
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There is only one way and it is not the Microsoft way.
Ah yes, the One True Path advocate/zealot.
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In the *nix world when we are compromised, there is exactly one option. Reformat... Reinstall... Know why? Because we GET it. We know what it means when someone gets "root". Microsoft and way too many others DO NOT GET IT, 'cause it means exactly the same thing when someone gets "Administrator".
Besides the fact that you went on a tangent in one sentence, you are also not making sense. We reformat and reinstall everything because we use the word root, which means the same as administrator in Windows?
Dogg
LoL... Naw... The truth is that if you are compromised and the person who compromised you has the opportunity to execute even a single command as Admin or Root or whatever... From that moment forward, you really can't trust the box. You don't know what was done. The person might have recompiled the kernel or replaced any of the .DLL files. You simply do not know and can not prove what was done without extensive and expensive analysis... but the Microsoft world insists upon giving us worthless cookbook formulae for removing these trojans... yet we do not know what was actually done to the system...
1) Take the system off line.
2) Save whatever data you wish for forensics.
3) Format and Reinstall...
And I suppose the point was that Admin is root is Admin... If you don't get it, you don't understand the flag bits in a microprocessor... Once someone had System Administrator authority, no matter what that is called, they can do anything they wish to the system and delete/modify all accounting records... That goes for ALL systems.
It is very simple.
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And I suppose the point was that Admin is root is Admin...If you don't get it, you don't understand the flag bits in a microprocessor...
What does knowing that admin describes root on a microsoft OS have to do with flag bits on a microprocessor?
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We wanted to write another "Night Before Xmas" poem but the vendor missed the last few release dates, so we had to resort to some MC(SE) Hammer:
U Can't Trust This
By: MCSE Hammer
Blaster did ya some harm
We just say, hey, another worm
But thank you, for trusting me
To mind your site's security
It's all good, when your server's downed
Our dope PR will pass blame around
Cuz it's known as such
That this is some software, you can't trust
I told ya Homeland
U can't trust this
Yeah that's why we're giving ya the code
U can't trust this
Check out eEye, man
U can't trust this
Yo let 'em bust more funky system
U can't trust this
Give 'em a string or recvfrom
Like no sweat they got the keys to your kingdom
Now ya know
You talk about eEye, you're talking about holes
Remote and tight
Coders still sweating so someone better write
A book to learn
What it's gonna take in '04
To earn some trust
Legit, either secure or ya might as well quit
That's the word because you know
U can't trust this
U can't trust this
Breakin' in
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| Re: Check it out! Are we having fun yet? They just refuse to believe, because it is easier to live in denial than it is to accept the truth and learn another OS.
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| Re: Check it out! said by ikarus1 :
Are we having fun yet? They just refuse to believe, because it is easier to live in denial than it is to accept the truth and learn another OS.
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gotten themselves hacked we would alll be screwed. Unfound exploits that lead to worms is onething, but MS knew about this for 6 months. Now I have two weeks to tell everyone to patch their machines before I have to fix them all.
Naw bud;
It's way worse than that. If the people in the org talked in a bar during that six months or the people at Microsoft had talked in a bar during that six months... If somebody's ex-wife or ex-girl friend had wanted to make a little money with organized crime... If some employee at Microsoft had wanted to make a little extra money... and stalled the patch for six months... Well you get the idea... anything is possible.
It's way worse than that. If the org wasn't the only one who figured it out... Looking at the applicable patch list... Anyone, for a very long time could have discoverd and exploited the hole FOR YEARS and nobody would know. Hell, after they fix this we may discover that credit card fraud on the internet is down sixty percent...
It is THAT bad. God knows what sort of privacy breaches, intelligence breaches, and ect...etc.... might have occured.
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Can I come over to your house and surf the net while microcrap resolves the issue for everyone else?
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Look at Microsoft. They are just building OS after OS and not worrying about security issues. What did they think that putting a firewall in XP (over bloated OS in my opinion). But listen to half the people complain about a getting a virus almost as soon as they connect to internet. I still run 98se and now they won't support it anymore cause they want me to spend hundreds of dollars on a newer OS that takes more space and more speed and more memory. The next OS they are working on will probably be over bloated and have a bunch of new security exploits. Why does all the new software have to be bigger and more memory leaking. Sorry if I got a little off subject it's just annoying to have to read about more problems with IE. IE will all ways have security exploits.
Well, yes they do want you to buy the new OS and the new hardware required to run it... but they will throw in the security vulnerabilities free of charge.
While I knew that Linux (SuSE/RedHat) was functional on a P-200 with 64 Megs of ram... (Don't try that with 2K/XP/2K3) I was shocked at the raw speed of FreeBSD on the same hardware the other day.... Don't get me wrong, I'm a linux lover but DAMN, that BSD was fast....
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DSL4Brains
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join:2003-08-26
Portland, OR
| Re: Well what do you expect said by ikarus1 :
Well, yes they do want you to buy the new OS and the new hardware required to run it... but they will throw in the security vulnerabilities free of charge.
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Chula Vista, CA
| Wow, nice. Must be a grand day to be a Microsoft Windows user. First MyDoom.a, then MyDoom.b, now DoomJuice .. and to top it off, this critical Windows exploit that affects nearly all of MS's modern OS line? I'm almost glad to be a Mac user.. wait I am glad. In fact, I'm thankful.
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