dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| The Coming Spyware Superstorm?
WTF do they mean coming? Where have they been? If I were to disable all my anti-everything software, I wouldn't be able to surf.
If they mean more is coming... uh, DUH!
Guess it's time to "turn up" a couple of programs.  |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Coming political superstorm.
Reading is good for you. |
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dave
Premium,MVM
join:2000-05-04
not in ohio
 ·Verizon Online DSL
 ·Verizon FIOS
| let's put the anti-adware guys out of business :-)
said by industry flack:
"Much of the "evil" things heard about "adware" are over-exaggerations packaged by the "anti-advertising industry" as a "fear sale" pressure tactic," the company argues. "This approach is consistent with the interests of an "anti-adware" company in fostering fear and discontent on the part of the general public regarding advertising software. The more the public fears, the more the "anti-advertising industry" profits."
This man has it in his power to put all anti-adware guys out of business.
All he has to do is to STOP FLOODING THE NETWORK WITH CRAP, and then no-one will need to buy anti-adware applications.
Easy, no? |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | I think he needs to put down the quotation marks and step away from the absinthe, personally. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
3 edits | reply to Minister
Re: The Coming Spyware Superstorm?
""Much of the "evil" things heard about "adware" are over-exaggerations packaged by the "anti-advertising industry" as a "fear sale" pressure tactic," the company argues. "This approach is consistent with the interests of an "anti-adware" company in fostering fear and discontent on the part of the general public regarding advertising software. The more the public fears, the more the "anti-advertising industry" profits."
Profits made off of the most effective (and totally free) spyware removal tools: Spybot Search and Destroy and Adaware? Profits made by Eric Howes? C2 Media argues that they and companies like them "should not be penalized for creating innovative new technologies that allow advertisers the opportunity to more easily reach targeted consumers."
Profits? From FREE software?
EDIT: Never mind, sarcasm not recognized. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | I do believe that is what some people call "sarcasm". |
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DaDogs
Semper Vigilantis
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Deltaville, VA
| Definately need to define SPYWARE
Everyone definately needs to stop by the FTC web site and explain to the FTC what "spyware" means...
Please, FTC, why do you feel we need to EXPLAIN the term "spyware" to you? How hard it it to understand? The very requirement to provide INPUT demonstrates a prejudice...
Here's your definition:
"ANY DAMN THING DESIGNED TO COLLECT ANY DAMN INFORMATION ABOUT MY ACTIVITY ON ANY PORTION OF THE INTERNET AND REPORT IT TO ANYONE WITHOUT MY PRIOR APPROVAL IS SPYWARE"... just how freakin' hard is it anyway.
Do ensure you make it that plain for them...
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righthere
join:2002-11-11
Lowell, MA
1 edit |  In response to 'DeltaFox'
Your Spyware Definition was so perfect that I sent it in an email to the FTC comments website. I did NOT use your name or anything to identify you. I just thought your Definition was so good that it should have gone on the record. I truly hope you are not upset. |
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Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
Premium
join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH | reply to Karl Bode
Re: let's put the anti-adware guys out of business
lol!!
Exactly what I was thinking!! |
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SoCal99
join:2004-01-22
| reply to righthere
Bravo
Until I loaded Spybot, Spyware Blaster and Ad-aware on all four of our home computers, the internet was really unusable. After surfing the internet for 5 minutes, there would be (no kidding) a hundred plus I.E. windows opened with ads, and Zone Alarm couldn't keep up with all the requests for a internet connection from the spyware programs. I know that we may be the exception as our daughter downloads every free thing under the sun
Great new is now all that is a thing of the past. I was so impressed with all 3 programs that I made donations to all of them and wrote a thank you email to each one.
When I load these programs on other peoples computers they can not believe all the crap that they had NO IDEA was on on Their computer!!
I wrote my thoughts to the FCC and I hope that others do to so that spyware and adware can be a thing of the past, or at least an opt "IN" product only!!! |
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Rejected One
I Suffer From Id10t Errors
Premium
join:2003-07-31
Wilmington, DE
clubs: 
·Juno Express
| Spyware storm has been here
spyware,malware, etc... is keeping people they want to sell there wares to from being able to even use the internet. i have at least 10 calls a day with someone who has windows 98 running and they cant get to the internet because these programs pop-up 50 ads at a time and blow sys resources down the drain, then eventually corrupting ie. a wake up call is well over due. this kind of evasive programs that they claim are not harmful to pc try telling that to consumers who can longer surf because their programs are written so badly that it handicaps the user. i understand trying to make a buck but write software that's
1. easy to remove.
2. opt out feature that works
3. code that is compatible with older sys
crippling your potential client makes no sense to me.. hopefully the ftc will help put a stop to this and/or more states join utah and ban spyware,malware etc... make these people accountable for the problems they cause when the adware is too much for a system to handle and a customer has to spend $90 bucks and up to have their comp repaired witch means wiping the hd and reinstalling os, at least around here since no comp shop here will clean spyware because they cant guarantee it.
just my 2 cents
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dbamber
join:2003-02-07
Payson, AZ
| spyware, adware, malware, ect.
After having my ISP home page hijacked recently by Blazefind I spent $80.00 plus tax trying to get rid of this crap. When the stuff failed I tryed Spybot for $39.00 it too failed. Then it was time for Ad-aware. After paying the huge sum of nothing for the download it finally cleared out my problem. After having gone through all of this, and seeing how my daughters Apple laptop wasn't suffering through all of this gave me pause to think. Irregardless, I have told a few people about Ad-aware and after they downloaded it they were amazed as to what is showing up on their PC's when surfing! These spyware companies are ruining the internet for a lot of people, and helping sales of some ineffectual programs designed to solve their problems. Myself, I am posting this on my new Mac and chuckling over the messages showing up on my E-mail for new anti-virus warnings. |
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catseyenu
Ack Pfft
Premium
join:2001-11-17
Fix East | Spyware Is The New Frontier of Trojan Writers
It's fairly well known that many of the haaks now plaguing us (CWS and LOP to name two) are written by the same people putting out Trojans.
That in itself puts a bull's-eye on their forehead for me.
It's a shame that wasn't conveyed. |
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kaila
join:2000-10-11
Lincolnshire, IL
clubs: | Hats off to you Eric
As a very casual Security forum visitor, I had no idea of your efforts. Thank you and best of luck.
BTW - I hope you have educated some about the enormous contributions the University of Illinois has given to the online world. |
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Vvian Kalyss
join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
clubs:
|  Warning: rant
"...anti adware industry"
WTF? 'Anti-spyware' companies didn't just spring up overnight (unlike those sleazy spyware ones on the other side of the chasm) -- they came about as a response by the large number of irate users who were increasingly angry over having surreptitious installs of software creep into their systems as well as destablizing them.
If those *@&!^#%$ sons of unidentified fathers had adhered to ethical business practises that other companies managed to (and there are plenty of 'net-based businesses that don't resort to such crude marketing measures), there wouldn't BE this kind of backlash against them.
And now they're complaining? Give me a *@&!^#%$ break. The average Joe might come to accept the current state of affairs, but we don't! If they think we're gonna just sit around and let them take over and break this medium, they've got another thing coming.
Spyware belongs right up there with spam and malware as the main problems we have with the system today. If they think of themselves as the 'adware industry' then what's wrong with going the honest route? Doing everything above board? WAKE UP FOLKS, THE DAYS OF ENRON AND WORLDCOM STYLE OF DOING BUSINESS ARE OVER.
If they ain't happy with this they can go suck a *@&!^#%$ and watch people tear their companies' rep apart like we did with Gator ('Clarion', haw!).
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rchandra
Stargate S G-1 And Atlantis Fan
Premium
join:2000-11-09
14225-2105
clubs:
| curiously ironic
Anyone else find it funny and ironic that a company that according to most users is trying to break down your security and defenses calls itself one of the most common security level designations in the computer world, "C2"?
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Cheetah9
join:2001-01-07
Bethel Park, PA | Spyware is no different than........
.......any other Virus, Trojan, or Worm.
Nuff said! |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| My definitions
Spyware
ANYTHING that transmits information about you, your computer/network or provides access to it without your permission. ANYBODY!! And when I say anybody I mean anybody. This includes the high & mighty law enforcement groups that say such things are necessary to protect us from 'terrorists'.
ADWARE
Any advertising that comes to you without your permission, unless you have purchased a manufacturers product [and only that manufacturer, not one of his companies subdivisions] withing the last, oh lets make it 30 days.
OR
If when buying something [and this would probably be with online purchases] you sign/agree to receive advertising.
Then if you get it & don't want it, it's your fault for saying 'yes' to receiving. There should be an 'opt-out' routine that really works [I have 'opted out' and the next day my SPAM is twice as much].
Those are my definitions.
Comments, anyone? |
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Vvian Kalyss
join:2003-10-14
Stage 5.0
clubs:
| Looking sharp
Spiffy.
Although, I'd highlight "without my permission". And no, burying it in a clause on page 18 of a 200 page EULA printed in point 2 font doesn't cut it. "Permission" must be asked for on it's own page / popup, and express what it wants EXPLICITLY.
Otherwise, your definition sounds good to me.
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Chachie0
join:2004-03-31
Canada
| reply to Marilla
Re: let's put the anti-adware guys out of business
I work at an internet Helpdesk and I can't help looking up the domains of the spyware companies that leave cookies that the user as administrator cannot remove. I see at least 5 to 6 a day of pc's that must have over 300 bugs on their machine.
Companies are from everywhere from Russia, Canada to California. Is there somewhere I can post the known companies??... some have the most obvious names. |
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