dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | LMAO!
Just don't update.  |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
1 edit | The RIAA loves it
Those who write the DRM killers are giving the RIAA the ammution to kill all music distribution via the net.
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| It's Coming....
"Do you hear that Mr Smith? It's the sound of inevitability"
I give it a month before this one is cracked and trashed... It's my music, I paid for it, I can do anything I want with it, including shoving it up your #@$ and cracking it...
Thanks, Drive Through...
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digiblur
Got Sipura?
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Louisiana | reply to dadkins
Re: LMAO!
If a human built it.... a human can take it apart. |
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Supafly
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join:2000-07-15
Elk Grove, CA
| reply to technick
Re: It's Coming....
said by technick  :
It's my music, I paid for it, I can do anything I want with it, including shoving it up your #@$ and cracking it...
NO NO NO NO NO NO AND NO! You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music! Just because you bought it does NOT mean you can manipulate the file in any way, shape or form.
I'm a audiophile at heart, but I download music "illegally" all the time. But you know what, 100% of my cd purchases are from music I liked after downloading, I don't watch MTV or listen to the radio, so I choose what I like.
I hate the RIAA as much as the next person, their fascist ways and their gestapo stunts make me sick, but you know what? I still buy music from artists under the RIAA umbrella because the artist I like and listen to the most should be supported. |
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Wyattx17
Wyatt
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Stockton, CA | reply to technick
ROFL |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to Transmaster
Re: The RIAA loves it
Like they can do that? Right. If you want to steal, er um, share music, you can do what I did when I was young. Get together with your friends. Each of you buys an album and the others make tape copies.
This will go on regardless of what anyone says or does until the availability of any device capable of recording an analog stream of audio is not available to the general public.
Even now, who can stop 10 friends from each buying a CD, using their sound card to digitize the analog signal, compress it to MP3 and then trade it with the others via e-mail, FTP or any old method that the 10 choose to use regardless of what the RIAA, MPAA or law enforcement agencies do? It's completely private, there's no way to track it and unless one of the 10 rats on everyone else, who would know or care?
The bottom line is that all of this will stop once the price of the music reaches a point where it's too cheap to cheat. It's clear we haven't reached that price just yet. We may never reach that price and if we don't, someone will always "break" the system to cheat. It's inevitable and there will never be a perfect system. There can only be a system that makes going around it, more costly than abiding by it. Right now this is the only real weapon that anyone has over how cheap, "too cheap to cheat" is. |
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rubber_ducky
@adelphia.net | reply to Supafly
Re: It's Coming....
If you want to support the artist, then send them a check directly to them in the mail.... don't give the greedy bastards (riaa) what they do not deserve...and the by the way.. downloading per se is not illegal, its what u do with it |
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tomkb
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Avon, OH
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| reply to Supafly
said by Supafly :
said by technick :
It's my music, I paid for it, I can do anything I want with it, including shoving it up your #@$ and cracking it...
NO NO NO NO NO NO AND NO! You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music! Just because you bought it does NOT mean you can manipulate the file in any way, shape or form.
I'm a audiophile at heart, but I download music "illegally" all the time. But you know what, 100% of my cd purchases are from music I liked after downloading, I don't watch MTV or listen to the radio, so I choose what I like.
I hate the RIAA as much as the next person, their fascist ways and their gestapo stunts make me sick, but you know what? I still buy music from artists under the RIAA umbrella because the artist I like and listen to the most should be supported.
Haven't seen a new cd in a long time, are their EULA's on packaging? |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
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Re: The RIAA loves it
said by rradina :
Even now, who can stop 10 friends from each buying a CD, using their sound card to digitize the analog signal, compress it to MP3 and then trade it with the others via e-mail, FTP or any old method that the 10 choose to use regardless of what the RIAA, MPAA or law enforcement agencies do? It's completely private, there's no way to track it and unless one of the 10 rats on everyone else, who would know or care?
Exactly. As long as the consumer physically has the CD, or the file, there exists a way to distribute it illegally. All that they can do at this point is make that process more and more inconvenient, so much that "average JOE" can't do it.
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yabos
join:2003-02-16
Ingersoll, ON | reply to tomkb
Re: It's Coming....
The EULA when downloading songs from iTMS says you can't crack the DRM. |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Two weeks...
That's my guess on how long till this is a non-issue. |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA | I was thinking more like one week. LOL! |
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HiVolt
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Toronto, ON
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| reply to tomkb
Re: It's Coming....
said by tomkb :
You might of paid for it, but you agreed to the EULA before purchasing it! If you disagree with the licensing agreement, by all means don't buy the music!
Tell me one music store where the EULA is plastered by the cash register, so the users can read the 15 pages before he buys and agrees to it? And how can you agree to something, even though its not signed, and you and the copyrightholder each have a copy of the agreement?
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B
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join:2000-10-28
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Re: Two weeks...
What makes you fellas so sure?
While there will, probably, always be the "analog fly" in the DRM ointment, I fully expect that DRM will be locking digital things up very tightly before long.
All the more reason to ONLY deal with normal MP3 and Ogg Vorbis (and other) files, sans DRM. In for a penny to DRM, in for a pound. No matter HOW cool that mini-iPod is.
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apsinkus
join:2002-06-25
Chicago, IL
| XM radio baby!
What made me stop buying CDs was not availability of Napster and etc.
Two things - on-line radio from Europe (since no one here sells reasonably priced imports vinyl or CDs) and XM radio. I haven't bought a CD for more than 3 years and I don't plan to for a long time.
In the car and at home I listen to XM, which is like an addiction to me, because you can listen 24 hours and they will repeat same song maybe twice, so everything is always fresh.
On-line radio stations are for my euro fix.
Once songs drop to 50cents per download with unlimited CD burns and they actually will have what I like (which RIAA calls imports, or in their terminology = no money for them), I will come back. Until then, I will support XM and get me EU music for free (which I can record without breaking fair use).
And re. Apple. Sell your overpriced $hit to someone else, Apple. I hate those sales people at Apple stores, they think they are something special. Hate to break it to you, you are no Bentley dealer, you are selling computers - cheap $hit in "designer" shell.
If I want Linux, I will get the real deal. |
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xmrocks
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join:2003-09-23
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| XM is an addiction, see my posts at xm411.com, my avatar, the sweatshirt I'm wearing now, etc.
But I still buy from iTunes and I don't agree with your bashing Apple, but you have a right to an opinion, so I'll leave that be. I like Apple, you don't...no need to start a flame war  |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
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 ·ViaTalk
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Re: Two weeks...
B, my expectation is that the next phase will be some creative folks (not Creative(tm) mind you!) who start writing their own firmware for the various music players that are out there. This may have happened already; I don't follow music much.
I'd draw a comparison to to $1000 Canon digital SLR camera -- most of the same hardware capabilities of their "pro" line that costs a lot more, but with some features turned off in the firmware. Some Russian guys looked in the firmware, figured it out, and are continuing to unlock and improve some great features of the camera. No need to buy a 10D model any more -- just download the hack and your 300d is the same animal.
If the IPOD (or whatever) doesn't support MP3s or whatever other in vogue DRM-less format exists, someone who really likes the hardware will make it so that it does.
Now what I do fully expect is that some idiot in Congress is going to try to re-write the laws that allow reverse engineering, and try to mess things up. Or, put some sort of lame encryption in firmware that makes it illegal under the DCMA or something.
The anarchy of the internet is going to be a tough thing for companies to grapple with for a long time to come. |
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jester121
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL
1 edit | reply to xmrocks
Re: XM radio baby!
XM = the shiznit, no doubt. I heard they're releasing a combo boombox/CD player later this summer, which will be nice for camping, games, etc.
EDIT: I'm an idiot. It's out already and $200 at Best Buy. |
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xmrocks
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1 edit | It's already been done: The SkyFi 2
Edit: You're not an idiot |
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