pnh102
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| Ugh...
Its too bad the money to be made off of stupid users who refuse to secure their machines is more important to BellSouth than the responsible users who do secure their machines.
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nixen
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| Nothing new...
A number of local providers do that already. It's a decent tactic, as it prevents most worms from working. Clued users with useful ISPs and mail providers can still use whatever servers they want.
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Rob
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| reply to pnh102
Re: Ugh...
said by pnh102  :
Its too bad the money to be made off of stupid users who refuse to secure their machines is more important to BellSouth than the responsible users who do secure their machines.
I don't see Comcast making any improvements to help lower the number of spammers on their network -- making them the #1 ISP with the most spam users.
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pnh102
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| said by Rob :
I don't see Comcast making any improvements to help lower the number of spammers on their network -- making them the #1 ISP with the most spam users.
But at least Comcast isn't blocking port 25 (yet). I don't see why I should have my network connection hobbled because of idiots who refuse to secure their machines. I would fully support any ISP that yanks connectivity from lusers who refuse to use firewalls and/or patch their operating systems.
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Nightfall
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Grand Rapids, MI
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| reply to Rob
said by Rob :
said by pnh102 :
Its too bad the money to be made off of stupid users who refuse to secure their machines is more important to BellSouth than the responsible users who do secure their machines.
I don't see Comcast making any improvements to help lower the number of spammers on their network -- making them the #1 ISP with the most spam users.
I don't think that is totally correct.
According to my router logs, I get more spam and zombie attacks from a few other DSL and cable providers. Comcast IPs rank in the middle on my router attacks. The most, believe it or not, is Charter and SBC.
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Corvus
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join:2003-11-26 | reply to nixen
Re: Nothing new...
I agree, providers need to do that with an increasing number of spammers using residential broadband.
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Nightfall
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| Should be a standard for all consumer broadband!
The blocking of port 25 should be a set standard for all consumer broadband connections across the board. Frankly, if users want to run mail servers, but can't lock them down, then they should be blocked. If a user wants that port unblocked, then the user can apply to have it unblocked.
Personally, I don't see why a common user would want to have that port open. In fact, I will go as far to say that 95% of the people on consumer broadband doesn't have a need to have that open. Those that do want that open, well, the application they fill out will explain if they are infected or exploited, then their connection will be shut off.
I know, a little extreme, but in this world of zombied machines and server administrator wannabes, it is the best thing to do.
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Rob
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| reply to pnh102
Re: Ugh...
said by pnh102 :
said by Rob :
I don't see Comcast making any improvements to help lower the number of spammers on their network -- making them the #1 ISP with the most spam users.
But at least Comcast isn't blocking port 25 (yet). I don't see why I should have my network connection hobbled because of idiots who refuse to secure their machines. I would fully support any ISP that yanks connectivity from lusers who refuse to use firewalls and/or patch their operating systems.
I agree. But maybe if they started blocking port 25 the number of spam messages would go down.
BellSouth isn't blocking all users, only new users and those who upgrade.
Since BellSouth DSL is using PPPOE, and each customer has a "profile", I think it should be on a per customer basis. If a customer is found spamming, their account should get their port 25 blocked and after 6months to 1 year, have the block removed.
If all ISPS continue to block 25, then port 26 will become the new "stanard" port.
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fantomposter
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Independence, OH
| reply to pnh102
said by pnh102 :
But at least Comcast isn't blocking port 25 (yet).
They will, sooner or later. It is the cheapest way for them to fix the problem. No staff to investigate complaints...just lock it all down at the router.
What would be cool is if they and other providers set it up so that users that want port 25 (for example) could request it. Perhaps make it another class of service and include a static IP.
Since, 90 percent (guess) of people dont need or want it the problem is solved and both sides win. |
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dervari
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Atlanta, GA
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1 edit | I don't pay for crippled access
I pay for Internet Access, not crippled internet access whereby Bellsouth decides what ports I should be able to access on other systems. Personally, I think it's absurd. However, our house is served by IFITL so I don't really have any choice of going to another provider.  |
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kfsutops
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Brandon, FL
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| Mine is not blocked...I think!
I don't think mine is blocked. I am able to use different outgoing mail servers.
I thought I might have a problem, but I set up Outlook the other day using the servers for my website, both outgoing and incoming. No Problems!
Maybe it is a regional thing. |
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Rob
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| said by kfsutops :
I don't think mine is blocked. I am able to use different outgoing mail servers.
I thought I might have a problem, but I set up Outlook the other day using the servers for my website, both outgoing and incoming. No Problems!
Maybe it is a regional thing.
And you're on the new extreme???
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Rob
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| reply to dervari
Re: I don't pay for crippled access
said by dervari :
I pay for Internet Access, not crippled internet access whereby Bellsouth decides what ports I should be able to access on other systems. Personally, I think it's absurd. However, our house is served by IFITL so I don't really have any choice of going to another provider.
Once the FCC writes up sone new tariffs for IFITL users, you'll never want to switch providers!! 
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pnh102
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1 edit | reply to fantomposter
Re: Ugh...
said by fantomposter :
They will, sooner or later. It is the cheapest way for them to fix the problem. No staff to investigate complaints...just lock it all down at the router.
You're correct... simply blocking the port is the easiest (but IMO the most aggravating) way to solve the problem. What bothers me though is that when the next major Internet annoyance comes along, they will just block the port for that too, and so on and so forth, until the whole damn connection is useless.
Next you'll hear of ISPs blocking port 80 to eliminate popup ads and spyware downloads.
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kfsutops
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Brandon, FL
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| reply to Rob
Re: Mine is not blocked...I think!
said by Rob :
And you're on the new extreme???
Ummm...I don't know if I should answer that! But I guess I did with that response..:) |
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Rob
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| said by kfsutops :
said by Rob :
And you're on the new extreme???
Ummm...I don't know if I should answer that! But I guess I did with that response..:)
Then maybe it's by regions??? But I wouldn't know -- as I can't get the new tier plan. 
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|  Cox Blocks
Cox-Internet has been blocking inbound ports 25 and 80 for a while. This means home hi-speed subscribers could not host family websites and e-mail. I had to upgrade to the so called "business" plan to get the static IP and port filters removed. This pretty much sucked because it cost $20.00 more a month. I was thinking about switching over to the Xtreme DSL from bell south but may hold off now.
Just wondering, has anyone heard of cox performing system upgrades in the Central Louisiana area? We're still paying $$$ for 1024/128!! |
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fatmanskinny
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2 edits |  Spammers are already getting around this!
How? If Bellsouth's e-mail only recognize @bellsouth.net e-mails for outgoing, spammers just put a fictitious e-mail ending in @bellsouth.net and add a different REPLY TO e-mail when you try and reply to that @bellsouth.net address.
I am not a spammer. However, while I was on Xtreme for a few days before going back to Ultra, I was still able to send Yahoo outgoing from Xtreme account. Also, my cousin who just got Bellsouth Xtreme can do the same thing.
Edit: Same thing with ComCrap and other ISPs. A step in the right direction may be having the OutGoing Mail Server require authentication (you would need a valid e-mail account and password matching the name you are sending under) where it verifies if the e-mail is actually being sent from a valid blah@bellsouth.net account.
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kfsutops
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Re: Mine is not blocked...I think!
We aren't that far apart. I would think we are somewhat in the same region. I know that I go throught Boca, then Miami..and it goes on from there. |
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RXDOC
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Palatine, IL
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| From teh BellSouth site
"Port 25: Why Filter Port 25?
Port 25 Filtering will stop Spammers from sending out huge waves of unauthorized junk email by preventing BellSouth.net email from being sent out through any non-.net mail servers. With Port 25 filtering, anyone logged into a BellSouth.net access number or connected via a defined BellSouth IP Address will only be able to send mail through the .net mail servers, thereby allowing us to block Spam sent out through our network."
Eventually all users will have this port blocked...not just Extreme
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