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steveca
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West Friendship, MD | New Competition Hopefully Verizon will present some healthy competition so that we can all start to see prices become lower. | |
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CM94sv | Wheres my upgrade !?? Have DTV, Wheres my 384 upload upgrade !??  | |
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| | . Maybe if htey provide cable TV they won't put ads in the program menus like comcast does. In this respect, I love DirecTV.
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Allentown, PA | L O L VZ should be forced by the fcc to stick to phone service. At least until they build out what they already have been paid to do (Pennsylvania)!
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|  GNXPowerGot Boost?Premium
join:2003-12-18
Huntington Beach, CA
1 edit | Re: L O L No kidding. Give back the $2 billion...or at least start these services in areas where they defrauded those taxpayers.
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|  ropeguruPremium
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Mechanicsville, VA | You got that right... They need to fix what they got first then move on.. | |
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join:2002-12-20
Seattle, WA | I'll believe this... I'll believe this when me shit turns purple and tastes like rainbow sherbet. | |
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| | Long Island? I'm really curious to know the other 8 states. I'm hoping NY is one of them. Would be nice for a new cable company on Long Island. THey'd get people to switch very fast.
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|  TrainBuffThe New Haven RailroadPremium
join:2003-05-01
Buffalo, NY
kudos:4 | Re: Long Island? Curious! And they would like to sell all their lines in upstate new York! | |
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| | But can they? Don't towns have to sign a 5-10 year exclusive contracts with cable companies that don't allow them to bring in competing services? If so, isn't it going to be hard for Verizon to break in? I don't like Verizon, but would love some competition in my town. | |
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| | | Re: But can they? said by handydave:
Don't towns have to sign a 5-10 year exclusive contracts with cable companies that don't allow them to bring in competing services?
Nope, exclusivity agreements are illegal. | |
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| Re: But can they? NOT TRUE!
Many cities still have them and are allowed to have them.
As long as the company is are "grand fathered" in the government won't buge especially if its a local cable company.
The city i live in had this. TWC tried for years to get in even tried to sue but it was thrown out of court. but the local company ended up selling to TWC so now we got them.
Also cities can stop companies for using their poles if they own them and pass laws to stop people and companies from digging like they have done in Duluth MN.
Pass laws that say companies can not use the poles on streets and dig holes to put in cable and you have it made.
Duluth pays an anti-trust fine every year but its not as near as what they'd lose if they'd let other companies come in with services they stop like Gas and other services that use cable under the ground
Also i have a friend that lives there. | |
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| | | | | Re: But can they? Those are special cases, and my response still stands. | |
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038xx | Re: But can they? said by Jeremy341:
Those are special cases, and my response still stands.
Agreed. That hottboiinnc  says "Duluth pays an anti-trust fine every year" but suggests that Duluth is still "in the right" seems to defy logic. Here, and I'm sure most places, the owners of not only the poles but any related infrastructure (switch-housings, buried conduit, etcetera) must lease space to all comers if that infra was built under PUC review & co-ordination - which nearly all of it was. | |
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| | | | | | | Re: But can they? I didnt suggest that Duluth is in the right. But it also keeps problems with cutting cables and gas lines up. Thats why Duluth does it. | |
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| | | | | | How can they be special cases?
Many cities only allow one company for everything. | |
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038xx | Re: But can they? If the city owns the infrastructure then they have increased clout by virtue of controlling distribution access. But if competitors want to find another way in then a muni govt cannot easily tell it's residents they cannot buy it.
Usually the infras were developed under monopolies (bells, high-voltage) controlled by state PUCs - not local munis. Those infra (the poles being critical, of course) continue to be under de-regulation influences - so it does vary regionally. In all cases, however, non-compete clauses are time limited - they don't go on indefinitely.
You say "it also keeps problems with cutting cables and gas lines up. That's why Duluth does it." Well, ...achem..., maybe. It also may be because the local faux monopoly has bought-off town hall. Sorry for my hard-bitten NE cynicism but I left the upper mid-west many, many years ago. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: But can they? There is a large company that is the gas provider from what I understand. But as long as the city has the no-dig law in place nobody is allowed to dig where those lines are located. | |
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| | Not the first time... Ameritech did this a few years ago in my area. Their "Americast" cable TV product was pretty good. They built a brand new network capable of handling all of the newest technologies, but never offered anything more than analog basic service!
Luckily, the sold off the franchise to WOW, who came in and started offering digital cable, Internet, and soon VoIP. | |
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| Re: Not the first time... Yep. Americast was built under the Ameritech name and then was sold when it went SBC Ameritech. They sold the networks but they havent said who they were sold to.
Columbus, OH used to be Americast cable. I'd be nice to see if the network is still able to run if it wasn't taken down and fire it back up. | |
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| | | | Re: Not the first time... Are you high? Like I said in my first post, the networks were all sold to WOW. WOW hasn't taken anything down, and has been offering their services since they first bought it. I should know, I'm on a WOW Internet connection right now. I could go out in my backyard and take pictures of my cable connection, with Ameritech labels on the cable and the box on the side of my house. | |
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| | | | | Re: Not the first time... No i'm not high.
Well if they sold them to WOW then why does WOWs website say they're not in Columbus Ohio where Americast was at as well. | |
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2 edits | Re: Not the first time... If Americast was there before, WOW is there now. Period. There are no exceptions to that. WOW bought 100% of the network, and is running 100% of the network today.
Also, please show me where WOW says they're not in Columbus. I highly doubt they'd say something like that, especially since they have a Columbus portal. | |
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| Re: Not the first time... Okay. I just searched they're site and found WOW in Columbus but still. They're fees are much higher than what TWC Customers pay there and higher than Insight.
They're not saving the customer anything. Except anyone that doesn't like Insight or TWC or Bright House where ever WOW is with them. WOW is just going to provide higher fees. | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... said by hottboiinnc:
WOW is just going to provide higher fees.
You seem to enjoy making unsubstantiated claims. Please back that up with real numbers. I can tell you for a fact in my area, WOW is cheaper than Comcast. Comcast's Internet is $57.95 for 3000/256, plus modem rental. WOW's Ultra is $54.99 for 4000/500, plus modem rental. Even with WOW's $2.50 modem rental, it's still cheaper than bringing your own modem to Comcast.
If you get into the TV/Internet bundles, you'll see even more savings. These are facts, not just my own unfounded opinions. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... I didnt say Comcast. I said TWC, Bright House Networks and Insight Cable.
I get the 4000/384 for $40.00 WITH modem included. So next time read before who i was talking about. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... said by hottboiinnc:
I get the 4000/384 for $40.00 WITH modem included.
Without cable TV? I highly doubt it. | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... without cable its only $44.95 in TWC | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... That's great. Enjoy! | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... Yep I do and i love my service.
Before i'd pay WOW's price for the same service i'd go to dial-up | |
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| | | | | | | | | | | Re: Not the first time... said by hottboiinnc:
Before i'd pay WOW's price for the same service i'd go to dial-up
Tell me about it! With digital cable, WOW charges an outrageous $40 for the Ultra Internet package.
Oh, wait. That's the same price as Time Warner... | |
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| Re: Not the first time... Although we can get our cable without Digital for $41.95 and 6 months for only $29.95 per month
Either way our packages are stil cheaper. With WOW i'd be paying almost $130 for the same thing i pay TWC $90 per month with RR included and that includes taxes. which we only get taxed 1 time and that is local tax. | |
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| | Fiberoptic cable? Where's my 100MB Internet? Video, schmideo, I want my 100MB symmetric internet connection now, with everything on it! | |
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|  elbm
join:2000-08-03
Reisterstown, MD | Re: Fiberoptic cable? Where's my 100MB Internet? said by ross:
Video, schmideo, I want my 100MB symmetric internet connection now, with everything on it!
It is comming. VZ is placing and splicing fiber like crazy. I belive their goal is to pass 1 million homes this year and even more next year. The three markets I know of are: MD, VA and TX. I don't know what will be handed off to the customer but the "carrier" will be running at 622mbs down and 155 mbs up on individual fibers to each customer from a hub placed in their neighborhood. | |
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 lflarry1Analog Is Not A MythPremium
join:2003-07-15
THE VOID | Getting Enough Fiber in your diet? Ah Ha.........
So that's the reason I'm seeing all those Fiber install trucks and men everywhere.
I was wondering about that. | |
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join:2002-09-02
Keller, TX | I was wondering what they had planned... I live in Keller. Verizon was installing all the stuff and actually (it appeared so, I am far from an expert on Fiber) pulling the fiber in my already existing neighborhood. They tore the hell out of my neighbors yard, haha. I just hope this stuff goes active soon. I had Verizon DSL before I moved and bought this house in another area here in Keller and it rocked. YMMV.
Bring it already Verizon, I want to be done with Charter. I pay Charter 131.66 a month for DVR, Gold internet, basic expanded and HBO. | |
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| | | Re: I was wondering what they had planned... Man thats alot of money to pay a month. | |
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| | | | Re: I was wondering what they had planned... I'd love to pay that per month for even just his net access..I am paying 109.95/month for 144/144 idsl, for comparison. Lets work on dsl distance before getting into cabletv, mmk? Just ~3,000ft should do it..  | |
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| |  BIGMIKEPremium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | Love Competition in the market | |
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| | |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: I was wondering what they had planned... Qwest tried this and it failed miserably | |
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| | | I am buying a house in Keller. Where exactly is the FTTP area? Is it in any of the new developments around Central HS? | |
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| | B$ Perhaps, they should start with the simpler things, like dependable, on time mail servers?????!!!!
Just a thought!
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 roamer1sticking it out at you
join:2001-03-24
Atlanta, GA
1 edit | So Verizon gets out of the cable biz... only to get back into it (in different communities, though)? What is Ivan smoking?
St. Pete/Clearwater/etc. FL - whatever happened to the GTE system there?
Cerritos CA - sold to Knology
Verizon Avenue "apartment" cable in various cities - sold to various companies (in Atlanta, the cable side mostly went to Advanced TeleMedia; on-property DSL went to a small company called Tphone.us)
etc. etc. etc.
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| bfrye
join:2002-03-12
West Point, GA | Re: So Verizon gets out of the cable biz... St. Pete/Clearwater/etc. FL - Went to Knology as well. | |
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| |  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
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| Re: So Verizon gets out of the cable biz... said by bfrye:
St. Pete/Clearwater/etc. FL - Went to Knology as well.
So that's who bought them. That was one suck-ass system. My Dad had this 5 pound cable modem, presumably pre-DOCSIS. It was a Bay/Nortel "LANCity". GTE was an interesting telco. They actually tried "innovation" now and again; the reason the service was so bad (at least on the data side) is that the system was built back when this cable modem thing was still "new". VZ then bought GTE and never really put any money in it.
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| TrainBuffThe New Haven RailroadPremium
join:2003-05-01
Buffalo, NY
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1 edit | And if they have their way, would be out of the phone business in New York State except for Westchester County, NYC, LI and part of Ct. that they serve.
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join:2003-12-04
Banks, OR | Disaster in the making ... I can see it now:
--Verizon runs splashy commercials all over the media, proclaiming the wonders of their new Cable Service;
-- 2/3's of prospective customers try to order it, but get a "Future Cable Notification Form" page instead: "Verizon Cable TV is not available at your address. Our network is constantly expanding, so enter your name and email address and when our network reaches you in a century or so, we'll let you know";
-- Verizon executives go to D.C. and make impassioned speeches about how Verizon Cable would suceed, if only lawmakers would give them yet another sweetheart regulatory deal ("hey, I know we've never kept our word before, but we promise this time is different").
Can anyone say "yawn"? | |
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| | 15 years The article also said its going to take about 15 years until every customer can get this. It also metioned 5, 10, 30 and 100 mbs for interent.
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