doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
Are pale in comparison.
Korea is better wired than anywhere in America. |
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techjoe
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Schererville, IN
| Yep.
I am literally a stone's toss from Comcast/xDSL land, but since this little portion is unincorperated and the park management does not want Comcast to dig trenches, this is my black hole. Since all around has access nobody will even bother to try to service us as the surrounding areas are already saturated, making expansion in this area worthless.  |
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| reply to doppler
Re: Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
said by doppler  :
Are pale in comparison.
Korea is better wired than anywhere in America.
Then move to Korea.
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WaxPhoto
I AM SAM
Premium
join:2004-04-08
Roanoke, IN
| Inexpensive solution
Although WiFi isn't the best solution, it sure beats dialup. If the major ISPs would just amend their ToS's to allow connection sharing between properties, it would save time and money on both sides of the spectrum... Telcos And Cablecos wouldn't be forced to spend a lot of money on suburban sprawl broadband architecture and consumers would still get a halfway decent internet connection. Maybe they could allocate more bandwidth to base nodes for wireless connectivity.
Then again, if the ISPs weren't so RoI oriented, there would be a lot better service all around. |
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WillHaeck
join:2002-01-20
Monroe, WA | Sounds like most BB companies
Most every Broadband company will skip certain areas because it isn't profitable. I'm pretty much in one of those areas too. Since their whole companies are pretty much in disarray as it is, it always seems like complaints fall on deaf ears. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
 ·Comcast
| reply to WaxPhoto
Re: Inexpensive solution
said by WaxPhoto :
Then again, if the ISPs weren't so RoI oriented, there would be a lot better service all around.
But if they weren't so ROI-oriented they wouldn't be in the business of offering service in the first place.
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Smitedogg
Uzbekikitty
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join:2000-11-11
Pueblo, CO
| reply to 72276539
Re: Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
said by 72276539 :
said by doppler :
Are pale in comparison.
Korea is better wired than anywhere in America.
Then move to Korea.
Yeah, how dare someone point out that another country is better than ours at something!
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| said by Smitedogg :
said by 72276539 :
said by doppler :
Are pale in comparison.
Korea is better wired than anywhere in America.
Then move to Korea.
Yeah, how dare someone point out that another country is better than ours at something!
Considering the country is radically different then ours, government paid for much of the deployment and the fact it is incredibly smaller then our country would make this a case of comparing apples to oranges.
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Rammer
Premium
join:2001-03-06
clubs: 
 ·AT&T Southeast
| comcast here
they want put cable broadband here because they want a new 20 year contract
and the city want go with that any more
a welcome relief
lucky for us bellsouth put all new dsl equipment in the co and we are now running along with great speeds
80 percent of the people here use sat tv
because the cable service is horrible
its still analog system so that alone is trouble enough |
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| reply to doppler
Re: Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
If broadband is so important that you have to state XXXXX is more wired then American then obviously its very important so movie to a broadband haven would be a good thing. Why should I pay for him to move? Im not the one stating Korea is better now am I?
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supertbone
join:2002-04-04
Pleasant Grove, UT
| I have more broadband choices than I need.
I am in a broadband sun, I have four types of residential service to choose from: DSL, Cable (as of July 1), satellite, and Radio wireless (local provider). Plus I live very close to Panera bread where I can get free wifi with my pringles can antenna and since a lot of neighbors who have wifi w/o WEP running I can leech of of them if I wanted to.
I am blessed to have all this. I will not live anywhere w/o broadband. I have had it for 5+ years. I feel for those who cannot get it. |
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA
| reply to WillHaeck
Re: Sounds like most BB companies
said by WillHaeck :
Most every Broadband company will skip certain areas because it isn't profitable. I'm pretty much in one of those areas too. Since their whole companies are pretty much in disarray as it is, it always seems like complaints fall on deaf ears.
Yup, you hit it square in it's ugly face.
In my town there is one broadband ISP. They provide horrible service at astronomical prices (640k/160k radsl over pppoe for $50/month). It's a monopoly...they are run by Epix, which pretty much every dialup isp goes through in the area. And Common Wealth Telephone owns the DSL isp (which is run by Epix)...and they're the only phone company in the area.
Recently Adelphia decided to rewire/redo the cable infrastructure and provide the town with cable internet...but once again the people like me (living out of town) are screwed over HARD, since they won't lay cable out to my general area (~6 miles from town).
If it isn't the slightest big profitable, they just cross you off their list...why don't they focus on deploying broadband nationwide so they can eventually MAKE it profitable? |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
1 edit | reply to 72276539
You don't get the point
The reason Korea is so well wired is the fact they
care more about it than any bell or isp system
in the United States.
In 1990 all the baby bells promised to there local
governments. F.T.T.H. That's fiber to the home. The
percentage of wired homes was PROMISED to be 90% in
five years. It was hailed as the 5 year plan.
Well I am still waiting, it's 9 years over do. Did I
mention the bells wanted tax abatements to offset the
costs of FTTH. They got it. But nobody got there FTTH.
They only wired a small part. Just to show they were doing
something. Just recently the users of PA got screwed
by verizon. Verizon promised FTTH in PA. They got big
dollars to install it. And just this year. Verizon
said sorry it won't happen. Did everybody get rebates
for the extra payout to Verizon. Highly unlikely verizon
will be paying out ANYTHING. Except lately 40 Million fine
for level of service failure. I like that $5 rebate every
year. (fine wise). I don't like the shoddy service.
BTW, every time it rains, someone on the block gets repair
work done. My phone goes out, or bad humming. It's been
13 times in the last 18 months. They won't commit to cable
replacement. Why would they commit to FTTH?
Yea, I compared Korea with anywhere in the US. Think about
it. Korea is better wired than the US. In fact there are
many other countries better wired. The US is on the bottom
of the list. With the technology available in the US. I
think we should be on the top of the list not on the bottom.
As long as North Korea exists I would never think of going
to south Korea. WW-III, if it starts anywhere it's going
to be there.
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA | reply to doppler
Re: Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
ISP's have to have an ROI, a government doesn't. |
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to doppler
Re: You don't get the point
said by doppler :
BTW, every time it rains, someone on the block gets repair work done. My phone goes out, or bad humming. It's been 13 times in the last 18 months.
Just as an aside, why would you continue to pay for such shoddy service? Get your number ported to a cell phone and be done with it.
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pnh102
Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty
Premium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD
·Comcast
| reply to ced06
Re: Sounds like most BB companies
said by ced06 :
Recently Adelphia decided to rewire/redo the cable infrastructure and provide the town with cable internet...but once again the people like me (living out of town) are screwed over HARD, since they won't lay cable out to my general area (~6 miles from town).
Would Adelphia do it if you offered to pay them to do it? If you have a lot of neighbors who want broadband the cost shouldn't be that hard to spread out.
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ced06
join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | The problem is there isn't. Along that pathway (6 miles) there are maybe 50 houses...it isn't profitable to them. |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| I have seen this before
And not just with broadband.
Individual X is at the edge of company XXY area, but since not many people in X's area wanted XXY's service, they didn't bother to expand. This occurs in [almost always] in rural areas.This can be made worse [and more depressing] when there are a couple of companies in the area...
The last time I saw this was when the Bell's broke up.
A someone bought land at the end of a road but couldn't get phone service. Why? The person in front of him didn't want lines over [or under] his property, so it had to go the long way around, for about $3,000 [back then, that was a lot]
I'm lucky I have the choice of a couple cable & DSL services in my area. |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY
| reply to pnh102
Re: You don't get the point
said by pnh102 :
said by doppler :
BTW, every time it rains, someone on the block gets repair work done. My phone goes out, or bad humming. It's been 13 times in the last 18 months.
Just as an aside, why would you continue to pay for such shoddy service? Get your number ported to a cell phone and be done with it.
Your being from PA, I think your worst off than my service.
I would be hounding my senators about the nice freebie
verizon got. As for my problems. I can't afford the
extra cellphone costs. And being a amateur radio
enthusiast I don't trust the landline being available.
Imagine this: Flight 800 went down not far from my home.
The Fire chief was smashing his cellphone on the hood of
the response car. Why?? Because he could not get a
clear channel. Cellphone are the first things to
go when things get bad. Even during the blackout of 2003.
Landline phones where up, cell sites were down.
But this is de tracking from the topic. For long Island and
NYC/NJ/CT areas black holes are rare. And the fact
everywhere else is screwed up. I blame the ISP's and baby
bells.
Parting thought. I know for a fact NYC has over capacity
of fiber optics. But they have the greatest cost to operate
even a basic T-1. Every time they ran 10 fiber lines from
point A to B. They didn't run just the ten they ran 100.
All that extra capacity is laying dormant. Verizon charges
$1200 a month for a full T-1. It really should be costing
$120 a month. Profit drives everything. That's the way it
works. Until the bells get hit with big fines for not
following though on promises. Nothing will change. |
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72276539
Premium
join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
| reply to doppler
Re: Sure sound like the problems with verizon dsl
Could it be the land cost in NYC is so god damned high along with the taxes they have to recoup the money somehow? Could it be that its not the cost to run the fiber that is incredibly prohibitive, its the cost of maintaining wiring centers, co-location facilities and the manpower necessary to make things work in a high priced area? Naw, its none of that. Its all corporate greed, god forbid a publicly held for profit company dare try to make a profit! OH THE HUMANITY!
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