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Greenwich, CT | Re: omg0rz!1 yup they have So called "Fixes" like every other week now, Still have the same problems. | |
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join:2001-03-10
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kudos:5 | Re: omg0rz!1 said by Subaru:
yup they have So called "Fixes" like every other week now, Still have the same problems.
Microsoft release new patches on the second Tuesday of every month. | |
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| | |  ParogadiWhat? Stop Looking At Me Like ThatPremium
join:2003-03-31
Racine, WI | What I wanna know is how this is news worthy? I mean come on, this is a daily occurrence with MS garbage.
If M$ hasn't gotten it right in this many years they never will and this new SP wont even cause a blip in the number of attacks.
You fanboys need to stop kidding yourself that its safe and secure when we know damn well your all trying to be security nazis and holding the security together with ductape like Spybot only to have to slave away endlessly to keep the machine from falling apart.
M$ doesn't give a shit about security, only about keeping their image good to the uninformed so they continue to throw cash at them. | |
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| | | Re: omg0rz!1 said by klobb:
what's new?
No joke. It's getting to the point where I'd
only be surprised if they DIDN'T find any more
security holes in IE.
I'll take the mushroom and IE burger medium well, please!  | |
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|  DudeWhat Happens When I Do ThisPremium
join:2000-11-20
Chicago, IL | when will microsoft just throw in the towel????? | |
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when will microsoft just throw in the towel?????
I don't see why they'd do that. IE SP2 isn't vulnerable to any of these exploits. | |
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| | DudeWhat Happens When I Do ThisPremium
join:2000-11-20
Chicago, IL | said by Dude:
when will microsoft just throw in the towel?????
yet | |
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join:2002-06-10
Charlotte, NC | *gulp* We're all doomed. DOOMED!
I better go get that foxilla...foxfire...what?
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| |  NerdtalkerWorking Hard, Or Hardly Working?Premium,MVM
join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ | Re: *gulp* said by jopfef:
said by Da22in:
We're all doomed. DOOMED!
I better go get that foxilla...foxfire...what?
I believe you're referring to Mozilla's Firefox browser???   
I don't even use IE anymore, partly because I'm sick of having to patch it every day or so...
I've really switched sides on this issue, before, I was all for IE, now, I avoid it when I can...
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join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | Why Windows is a Security Nightmare Why Windows is a Security Nightmare
by latif [May 16, 2004]
Security in all mainstream operating systems is non-existent; however, things are especially bad for Windows. Windows happens to be the favorite target of worm and virus writers. Conventional wisdom suggests that the huge installed base of Windows helps spread the worms and viruses, and also makes it a highly attractive target for worm/virus writers. The installed base of Windows certainly has an undeniable effect on the prevalence of malware on Windows, but this is not all there is to it. »www.techuser.net/index.php?id=47 | |
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| j_7962
join:2004-05-19
Saint Paul, MN | Re: Solution? The problem it not Internet Explorer it the dumb people that run the computers they go on website like “FULL WAREZ APPZ CRACKZ DOWNLOADZ porn” that bad land , if your looking for trouble on the net you fined it. | |
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| IGGYNo Guru Just Here To HelpPremium,MVM
join:2001-03-30
Chatham, IL
1 edit | said by CKY:
»www.mozilla.org/products/firefox/
Solution SPAM competing products link in a topic that has nothing to do with that product. Do we really need to point out that these alternatives have had and still do have some of there own problems? Don't believe the hype folks. If these alternatives had the market share of IE. It be interesting to see how they would hold up with ever hacker, cracker and ---- smacker knocking at there door.
Funny how with basic security and common sense none of this has any effect. Granted holes, flaws, exploits and / or bad code should always be fixed. Granted developers should do there best to make sure that these things can't happen in the first place. But if it was built by a human. A flaw can be found. Just depends on how much time and resources a person wishes to put towards reaching that goal. The alternatives aren't all that and a box of cracker jackers. No matter how much hype they get.
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| | bmn? ? ?Premium,ExMod 2003-06
join:2001-03-15
hiatus | Re: Solution? said by IGGY:
Do we really need to point out that these alternatives have had and still do have some of there own problems? Don't believe the hype folks. If these alternatives had the market share of IE. It be interesting to see how they would hold up with ever hacker, cracker and ---- smacker knocking at there door.
Considering there is a larger pool of developers who proactively look for problems, I'd wager that the open source browsers like Firefox would do much better.
Additionally, since they are not integrated into the OS, like IE, the level of damage than can cause is lessened.
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| | |  Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA | Re: Solution? said by bmn:
Additionally, since they are not integrated into the OS, like IE, the level of damage than can cause is lessened.
Assuming you're using something from the NT branch of windows as most windows users now are; How so?
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join:2002-12-03
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| Look to Windows 3.0 If you want to know how this began, go talk to the security experts who warned Bill Gates he was unleashing the Internet version of the Bubonic Plague when he rewrote OE in VBS and released it. That was ??? 'about ten years ago. It's been a down hill slide ever since.
Security experts warned Gates about XP a couple of years before it was released with unsecured root access enabled; they warned it would make attacks too easy for malware and virus writers. Bill said it would make computing easier and more fun. Hmmmm? Are you having fun swatting viruses, stamping out spam and patching your box every month?
Guess what .. those monthly patches are an accumulation of weekly and sometimes daily patches MS releases. And contrary to popular opinion there are operating systems that can be secured and protected - but they are not compiled on DOS and they are not written by shade tree mechanics.
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| Re: Look to Windows 3.0 I stopped using IE because of the various hijacks that web sites could do: changing your home page, adding all kinds of horrible toolbars. Isn't this because IE comes with default settings for adding toolbar extensions, etc? Why Microsoft leaves all the default settings open for malicious use is just beyond me. They should turn OFF all the settings that allow tampering and make the user learn how to turn them on, if needed.
Anyway, I use Firefox. Never any problem with Firefox at all. I also use aports (shows open ports, what software is running the open port, and what IP it's communicating with) to make sure nothing is communicating without me knowing about it, I check msconfig (startup tab) regularly to see what's running when I turn on my computer, and I use SpyBot. So far, no problems for me.
Like the Comcast spokesperson said when they announced some customers would have port 25 blocked due to spam viruses, most of the people who will get blocked are grannies who haven't a clue and Comcast doesn't want to make them angry.
It's up to Microsoft to protect the grannies of the world from the virus writers. So far, Microsoft has failed miserably. | |
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join:2002-09-27
Tonasket, WA | The good new is... I just saved a BUNCH of money on my Auto Insurance!  ;) | |
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| Mozilla is flawed...OMG ! "On Thursday, two more unpatched Internet Explorer holes also surfaced that are slight variations on the same themes. One is a spoofing vulnerability that works on IE, as well as the Mozilla and Safari browsers, and allows attackers to fake the address displayed in the address bar."
»story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=s···d/116492
So much for the inherent holiness of Mozilla, eh? | |
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|  jferelloJPremium
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Hatboro, PA | Re: Mozilla is flawed...OMG ! hahahahaha...... | |
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|  pcscdmaChocobo Chocobo Random BattlePremium
join:2004-01-14
Winterset, IA | OMG squid is very very bad
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| BIGMIKEPremium
join:2002-06-07
Westminster, CA | Re: An example of an address spoof said by n2jtx:
There is a Paypal Phishing page at http://195.46.147.7/~bozkurts/header/index.htm that implements the newly discovered address bar spoof. I got a SPAM message the other day that had a link pointing to this page. It was rather impressive to see how it covered the address bar. Only problem is when you minimize IE, the address line is still visible!
An example of an address spoof AND NOT A GOOD ONE, TRACE | |
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Wesley Chapel, FL | It also doesn't seem smart enough to figure out where the existing address field is. On my browser, I have a Links bar below the address bar and it put the "spoofed" address bar over top of my Links bar. Made it very obvious it was doing something funky. | |
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| | | In Mozilla 1.6, I get a little Javascript box that says "demonstration requires IE5.5+/Win" | |
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| |  LloydrSeawolf
join:2001-11-27
Milton, FL
1 edit | Re: An example of an address spoof said by ElJay:
In Mozilla 1.6, I get a little Javascript box that says "demonstration requires IE5.5+/Win"
same here, but i'm running neither ie nor windoze
also funny how the "reported address bar spoof" supposedly effecting mozilla doesn't happen to my mozilla 1.6 on slackware linux and i've tried every link around that suppose to effect mozilla....guess it's mozilla on windoze eh | |
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| | | | | Re: An example of an address spoof Hi,
No, never had any addressbar spoofs work in Moz - either mozilla itself nor FireFox. . .
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gudelSystem LordPremium
join:2004-06-03
USA | nothing new never really have a problem with IE, nor people taking over my computer.
do you know why? that's because i don't look for trouble, or seek troubles in troublesome sites
of course if you actually run the sexdialer.exe or run other vbs/exe that you do not know where it's from, then you deserve the trouble/spyware/malware/virii in your computer. | |
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| KUppianoKarl Uppiano
join:2003-02-02
Ferndale, WA | Re: nothing new said by gudel:
never really have a problem with IE, nor people taking over my computer.
do you know why? that's because i don't look for trouble, or seek troubles in troublesome sites
of course if you actually run the sexdialer.exe or run other vbs/exe that you do not know where it's from, then you deserve the trouble/spyware/malware/virii in your computer.
Exactly. My family and I have never used anything but IE and OE, and not once have I had any of the dire security risks come to pass.
I think the biggest problem with Windows and Windows apps is that the security settings are too low by default. A lot of this will change with SP2. Another thing that will change is a lot of casual but formerly productive Windows users will be very confused until they figure out how to deal with the intracies of enabling just what they need. | |
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| |  MikePremium,Mod
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Pittsburgh, PA | Re: nothing new "There are no bugs in Windows 2000"
I remember that rhetoric and Win2k would be the final version of windows, yah yah yah... | |
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join:2004-05-19
Saint Paul, MN | Re: nothing new said by Mike:
"There are no bugs in Windows 2000"
I remember that rhetoric and Win2k would be the final version of windows, yah yah yah...
RIGHT! Problem w2k can’t get games to run in w2k no support, I fine a lot of Video Problem on w2k and no fix, the game will run fine on window xp, bf1942 Delta Force - Black Hawk Down | |
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| | Once Again, SP2 is Fine None of these new exploits work in SP2, including the ones that cause problems in Safari and Firefox. Hmm... | |
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join:2003-02-16
London, ON | Re: Once Again, SP2 is Fine So they fix XP, but what about NT, 2000, 2003 Server etc, etc, etc. | |
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| | | | Re: Once Again, SP2 is Fine They'll come out with a security patch for the other OSes. | |
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| | | yabos
join:2003-02-16
London, ON | Re: Once Again, SP2 is Fine Maybe, but who knows when. They are talking all about how XP SP2 will be so much better for security, but they don't say anything about what they are going to do for their other OS's which all have the same flaws. | |
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join:2002-02-02
Stewartstown, PA
kudos:7 | NO IE I just recently tried firefox. But so far, I like my Opera better. It's never been hijacked. knock on wood | |
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join:2004-03-12
Towanda, PA | Rendering! How about fixing the IE rendering engine (transpareng PNGs)?
Or making IE display code the way it's meant to be. Ex: someone can make a crappily coded website, it displays perfectly in IE...in Firefox or any other browser it's an attrocity. | |
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| Combat ChuckToo Many CannibalsPremium
join:2001-11-29
Erie, PA
1 edit | Re: Rendering! I love how good programming dictates that your software be able to handle bad/unexpected situations gracefully.....Unless you're MS and you happen to display someones poorly coded website, rather than vomiting it up in a technicolour rainbow of partially digested HTML all over your monitor.
I agree they need to fix the PNG thing tho
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| | | said by ced06:
it displays perfectly in IE...in Firefox or any other browser it's an attrocity.
Guess what? When Firefox is used by 95% of the people on the Internet, all sites will be coded to display properly in Firefox. When you own 95% of the market, you set the standards. | |
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| | | | Re: Rendering! No, »www.w3c.org set the standards. Firefox just complies properly with them. | |
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| | MS bit by the bundling bug With all the holes in IE, it seems that Microsoft has shot themselves in their own foot by their bundling of IE as part of the operating system. What goes around comes around!
Not only do the IE security flaws spill over and affect the whole operating system, they made it impossible for them to just ditch IE completely and replace it with a whole new, hopefully secure, browser.
I think they would have done it long ago if they could, but instead, now they have to patch, patch, patch. Maybe now they'll begin to understand their end-users frustration. | |
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An example of an address spoof
