paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
clubs: | question
why can't wireless connections for home internet use be as secure as cell phones? |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Who says cellphones are secure? |
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ObdH
Premium
join:2003-06-11 | 2009 huh
hmm, sounds fun, however by then I hope even I'm alive  |
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
clubs: | reply to paulhaskew
Re: question
well more secure than my wireless connection at home... |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| quote:
why can't wireless connections for home internet use be as secure as cell phones?
just as soon as baby monitors don't pick up cell calls...or pringle cans don't spot unsecured hotspots.
cell phones are as about secure as walkie talkies are. as in, they ain't. |
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kaisa
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Glen Ellyn, IL
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Re: 2009 huh
said by ObdH  :
hmm, sounds fun, however by then I hope even I'm alive
thats the spirit! |
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Doctor Olds
I Need A Remedy For What's Ailing Me.
Premium,VIP
join:2001-04-19
1970 442 W30
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Re: question
said by paulhaskew :
why can't wireless connections for home internet use be as secure as cell phones?
Huh? I hear all cell phones on my pre-ban scanner.  Nothing secure there. Then there are the fadeovers/harmonics that let the cell phone be heard in non-banned frequencies (I don't recall the actual term) and there are other ways to hear them. About as secure as a pair of $5.00 dollar walkie-talkies when they are sold by the tractor load preset at one channel for everyone to hear for miles around.  |
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jansson_mark
Markus Jansson
Premium
join:2001-08-05
Finland
1 edit | reply to Minister
said by Minister :
Who says cellphones are secure?
To say it short, only cell phones that are safe are the ones that use ONLY (refuse ALL other!) COMP-128-2 or COMP-128-3 and A5/3. If they use any other stuff in any way, they are insecure and can be eavesdropped pretty easily. Unfortunally most cell phone providers use COMP-128-1 and A5/1 and allow even more insecure algos to be used.
For example, in Finland, only Elisa »www.elisa.fi uses that secure combination, all other providers have insecure cell phone networks. 
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forrestin
Premium
join:2004-02-07
Clinton, IN | Cost
What is the cost going to be for the Wimax? 802.11G is relatively in expensive.
Would this WiMax be of any use to a home user? |
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sabersaw
Premium
join:2001-08-21
Dayton, OH
2 edits | reply to Doctor Olds
Re: question
said by Doctor Olds :
Huh? I hear all cell phones on my pre-ban scanner. Nothing secure there. Then there are the fadeovers/harmonics that let the cell phone be heard in non-banned frequencies (I don't recall the actual term) and there are other ways to hear them.
those analog cell phones in the 800 mhz band are almost extent in many parts of the country... I think it would take a lot of radio and knowledge to listen to cdma or tdma without knowing someone on the inside. analog signals.. piece of cake. search 862-890 mhz fm narrow band. |
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averagedude
join:2002-01-30
Mesa, AZ | Too soon for consumers
My goodness it is like alphabet soup.
As an "average" consumer I will be waiting a while before spending any money on this propriety stuff.
I am not willing to get burned on products that are not guaranteed to "talk" with each other. |
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA
| WiMax/802.16 is not for the home consumer
The 802.16 standard and it's WiMax marketing subset are designed for metro area access meaning service providers and certain businesses with several offices in one city.
The real benefits that will be seen by an end consumer is that this technology has the potential to offer lower cost wireless internet services to compete with DSL and Cable. Additionally the costs should be low enough to allow for sufficient ROI in areas which currently do not make it interesting for companies to deploy in.
As to security. Anything that sends a signal that can be intercepted is insecure.
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cmaenginsb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-19
Palmdale, CA | reply to averagedude
Re: Too soon for consumers
You won't be using it as a consumer. This stuff is designed for use by service providers. It would be kinda like having a $25000 router plugged into your DSL line.
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CCNA, Comtrain Certified Tower Climber |
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rradina
join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
| reply to cmaenginsb
Re: WiMax/802.16 is not for the home consumer
said by cmaenginsb :
As to security. Anything that sends a signal that can be intercepted is insecure.
I disagree. I don't believe that RF transmissions are more or less secure than wired connections. I would modify your statement to read that anything that is intercepted is a potential security risk and I see two potential risks:
1) The intercepted packet contains secret/sensitive information. If the information is not secret/sensitive, such as the current time of day, who cares if the interceptor reads it?
2) The intercepted packet is hijacked, modified and sent to the original destination and the original destination believes the modified packet is the sender's truth. Obviously this risk is extremely dangerous since even a simple time of day signal becomes a security risk.
I would guess that given the nature of the RF, it's probably harder to accomplish #2 than in a wired environment. |
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