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Comments on news posted 2004-07-01 19:00:37: Speakeasy will next week announce a new nationwide "naked DSL" product - or dry DSL on a dedicated loop that doesn't require a local voice component. ..

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DarkElf
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Yeah, right.

$55.95 a month? Yeah, right.

[sarcasm]

People will be running to get this service.

[/sarcasm]

USAOwnz
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Meh Speakeasy isn't exactly the best provider, in terms of cost.

Quip
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said by DarkElf:
$55.95 a month? Yeah, right.

[sarcasm]

People will be running to get this service.

[/sarcasm]

Depends on how much that telephone line costs you, if it costs $30/mo it's like getting $25/mo DSL.
betam4x
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erm, right now i pay $80.81 for dsl and unlimited long distance phone service. The dsl is only $29.99/mo for 1.5/384. Technically i could downgrade to a $7.00 toll line and still have the 29.99/mo offer. Speakeasy doesn't work with vz anyways.

DarkElf
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Yeah, but for Naked DSL? Why would you be paying the use of the telephone line with the DSL if its is being provided without the voice component. Or am I missing something here?

$55.95 a month seems unreasonable to me. Maybe because I only pay $39 for my cable service.

Oh well.

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Sounds great!

I'm all for this, look how much cash you could save. Get naked dsl, and no more must you dish out big bucks to the telco - just get a nice voip provider and your all set. I hope they will offer this service in my area, as compared to what I'm paying now for voice and data services this is a bargain!
LooseCannon8
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Re: Yeah, right.

This is a good deal. If your land line costs just over $20 and your DSL is like 30, then thats 50 plus all of the fees and that phone company throws on then it would prob be a bit cheaper.

toby
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not a bargin really

For these speeds with SBC its $27 per month for the DSL, plus $20 for the line, plus tax = less than $55.

You might aswell get DSL and a phone line from SBC, and never plug your phone line in.

djdanska
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Re: Yeah, right.

Unreasonable since i pay $52.95 for 4300/384. LoL

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said by DarkElf:
$55.95 a month? Yeah, right.
Actually that could be a very good deal in some cases!

For example, I pay that much per month for my DSL (which is also 1.5meg/256k), and I'm required to keep my POTS line (with CenturyTel) to qualify (and the POTS line itself is around $25)! If this becomes an option in my area, I might consider dropping POTS, and just go with VoIP totally (I'm already using VoIP for LD). And what about my dad's place? His only current BroadBand option, is cable modem service (at almost that much per month), with a minuscule "hard limit" of 3GB/month of data (and 2 cents per megabyte after that)! This Speakeasy service is "unlimited" as long as you are "using it reasonably" (i.e. you don't use up all your month's bandwidth, simply downloading a Linux install CD set).

And remember, "naked DSL" is likely to be a little more expensive (maybe an extra $5-$15 per month) than more traditional "line sharing", as you don't have the POTS service paying for part of the wire. The cable companies do the same, by charging a little more if you order "cable internet" without also paying for "cable TV". IMHO this is all well and good, because this helps keep the services profitable, while still giving consumers options. If someone doesn't like paying a little more for "naked DSL", they still have the option to buy a POTS phone + DSL bundle (or cable TV + cable internet bundle) somewhere.

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Re: not a bargin really

They are not the first to offer this. Lightning Bolt Technology announced they offered it last week.

»NEW ADSL option, without voice service

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And I pay 27.95 per month for 3000/256 from Adelphia. And that's just for the cable internet - I don't have their cable TV service at all. I'm glad I got Adelphia instead of Speakeasy / anything with DSL.
neftv
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Dry DSL

What's the point?? If you end up having to pay for the line with increased cost within DSL Vs having a pots line. Now if the prices stated included a reasonable local/long distance VoIP service that's another story.
edelite
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Hmmm....

I agree with the general consensus of this forum: Dry-pair isn't worth that much!!! Lower the price to like $30-40 bucks and maybe some people will jump on. I personally would jump on if it was $40/mo cause then I could port my number to a VoIP and get free from those stupid telephone companies.

The real question is WHERE DID THEY GET DRY-PAIR FROM!!?!? (the Telephone companies obviously) but the last time I checked, Verizon wasn't offering Dry-Pair DSL (even though their Press Releases and interviews contradicted that).
cbrain (banned)
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What will I do with the money I save!

I just ordered an economy phone line so I could go back to DSL. Verizon 1.5/384 DSL = $29.95, misc. fees about $3 and line without outgoing calls $13 - totaling $46. Just think of what I can do with the savings!

On the other hand in '99 I paid around $70 a month for Covad 1.5/384 DSL on a "naked line" and it was almost perfect for 2 years.

It's a good start. Give them some time to get it right.

nixen
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Re: Yeah, right.

said by DarkElf:
$55.95 a month? Yeah, right.

[sarcasm]

People will be running to get this service.

[/sarcasm]

Depends on whether this is the same as many of their other services: multiple static IPs and a ToS that guarantees that you can run servers on a residential service (e.g., their OSDN service comes with 8 IPs). In other words, if this is something like a SOHO service. If so, and you're someone that looks for that type of service, it's a bargain - still dirt cheap compared to other dedicated line solutions (T-1, SDSL, etc.).

-tom

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Re: not a bargin really

Umm, the article contains the same statement & link. If you go to LBT's webpage you'll see the 2 ADSL-shared packages only offer 128k up (they say "K" - but I'm sure they mean "k"). It costs 110$ start-up if you successfully self-install, 310$ if you don't. The dedicated ADSL is 1.5mbps/384k @ 65$/mo & 220$ startup. Does anyone find these offerings tempting? Even in my limited choice, overpriced market I have 3000/256 from Adelphia for 58$ @ -228$ startup due to 20$/mo for 6mos promo. I'm looking forward to the details on Speakeasy's offering.

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Let's see now...(opening phone bill).

POTS line:      $17.71 (total with fees and taxes)
1536/384 DSL: $31.43 (including "FUSF")
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TOTAL $49.14

I have the functionality of the POTS line if I choose to use it.

Speakeasy's "Naked Emperor DSL": $56 for 1536/256 before taxes and whatever fees they will end up charging.

Doesn't seem like much more than marketing hype. Expensive marketing hype. For that price you can get 3000/384 from SBC and others and still have the POTS line to use...
neftv
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Re: What will I do with the money I save!

In getting completely rid of Verizon here is another example (rounding up)
Comcast cable (true speed) 3.0/256 43.00
Local channels basic service 10.50
VoIP service (what I have*) 13.00
Total 69.50
plus Taxes I'm sure.

Presently
Verizon budget service with taxes about 17.00
VoIP (what I have*) 13.00
Covad Telesurfer plus 40.00
Total 70.00

If I go with any other Dry pair option say
Speakeasy dry pair 55.00
VoIP 13.00
total 68.00
Plus taxes on this
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Now tell me which one is the most band for the buck?

*VoIP is 500 anytime mins and very good international rates to me.
SpeedJunky0
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Nickel and Dimed!

I'm currently a Speakeasy's 1.5/768 DSL customer with local service through Verizon...

I called today to ask about ditching Verizon and use their naked service and they told me that there is an additional $6 a month charge not to mention $99 installation fee.

If you do the math your not saving anything and in fact your paying more money if you chose to use a VOIP carrier like vonage...

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Hey guys,

I figured I would jump in and answer some basic questions.

First, we did launch this already nationwide, so Speakeasy is NOT the first

As far as cost goes, and speed. We will never be able to compete price wise with the ILEC's (SBC, Qwest, Verizon, Bellsouth) because they own the copper.

In some parts of the US, you can't get a dial tone for under $20, I have even heard as high as $30, But some areas you can get it for $10, so it varies.

Now with Line share you add DSL on top of that $40-on up.

You are already over the $50-$60 Dry ADSL price. So to some it is worth the cost. Others it may not.

Other people want NOTHING to do with the ILEC, and either have no Land line, or use a 3rd party for voice, this is where dry ADSL comes in handy.

AS people have stated, some will like it, some won't, that is what options are here for

Voyager2K2
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Re: Yeah, right.

said by djdanska:
Unreasonable since i pay $52.95 for 4300/384. LoL

Yeah right.
Just don't use that blazing speed too much or you are gonna be forced back to dial-up. LOL
Cybertoad
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ROFL ... $55.95 ???

For less than that price you can buy both the
voice phone line AND the DSL from SBC.

Great idea gone terribly wrong here. LOL

JTRockville
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Re: What will I do with the money I save!

Looks like price-wise, the Verizon/Covad deal wins (if the taxes/fees on the cable service are more than 50 cents).
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same price

It's almost the same:

SBC
$23 phone line
$17 caller ID, waiting, etc.
$105 DSL 6/608 w 5 static IP
actual speed : 5M/510K?
$20 unlimited calling
wide availability because of RT's

Total: $165

Phone line OK during power outage

Speakeasy:
$115 DSL 6/768 w 4 static IP
claimed 6/768K speed
$30 vonage
$6 wire
Less availablity - only near CO.

$151

No phone during power outage.

Speakeasy is 10% less and has 50% greater uplink (they claim). Does anyone have the 768K uplink package? How much do you actually get?
russotto
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Sure, lineshare is cheaper....

But how long will it be available in your area? The FCC set the lineshare requirement to be phased out within the next few years. Some of the ILECs will probably continue it, but the CLECs and ISPs need a backup plan available.
neftv
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Re: What will I do with the money I save!

To me it seems that the comcast deal is more bang for the buck. The only element with taxes will be Comcast HSI and the local channel package. I have a roof top antenna now so the local channels will come on cable and the internet speed is higher too. In other words, I get more usable services for the money rather than down the drain keeping the pots line at the most basic level which would never get used.
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Re: Yeah, right. It IS a good deal...

Yea, this is a GREAT deal in a lot of peoples cases.

I've got DSL with Citizens Communications (i.e. Frontiernet.net)

I've had it since Jan, 2003. For the first 9 months, I actually only paid 1 month of service and got the other 8 months credited back in full, month by month. Reasons: I'll tell ya.

1) DSL service, 1.0/128 (400kbit/62kbit doesn't quite meet the statement)
2) Bad DSLAM (Authentication service) --> half the time the stupid DSLAM was down for some unknown reason.
3) In Illinois, Close to Granite City. --> Routed me to authenticate (PPPoA) upto Rochester, New York. Isn't there a better way to route the authentication?
I.e. Ping times were upwards of 1800ms most times.
4) Multiple ranges of IP addresses were not resolving to the DNS. i.e. -> You get a speed, sync, and connection. However You do not get an IP address, which you can not surf the net without an IP "Address".
5) Frontiernet.net STILL has problems (Don't go there)
6) I'm paying $49.99 for Frontiernet.net Right now.
7) I informed them of a problem early February of 2003, and They said it was on my end, not theirs. (Typical, eh?) Months later, I get the response after calling in 40 something times for trouble tickets with them, and to this date, They are STILL working to resolve the problems. NOTE: Frontier, You need people who know what your doing. ESPECIALLY TECH Specialists!

7 DSL, rather DEDICATED aDSL is great if you think about it in these terms: aDSL normally is "asynchronous" meaning that the more upload you use, the less download you have available. Also, it means that you are on a shared network.

Another thing. ISPs always oversell their bandwidth for an area, because they never expect everyone to be on at the same time. This allows for greater sales to the ISP (not just frontiernet) and more clients. YET, it can potentially cause more problems in the case that there is online in that area, more than the ISP area can handle.

DEDICATED aDSL is also asynchronous (hence the "a" in the aDSL, but is MUCH better than the type I am referring to, which is a shared connection (Virtual DSL in a sense).

Dedicated, you are on your very own circuit, directly connected to the ISP. You do not have to go through a 'shared network" on the ISP and share a "pipe" with the others in the area.
So if the case above comes into play, You are NOT affected by it one bit. There are a few other reasons for it as well. But Hell yea. I'm gonna get it in about 4 months.

Speakeasy, I hope you live up to what you claim.

p.s. Does anyone know if it is 1.5 MINIMUM and 256 minimum? or is that the MAX? And does it include TCP overhead transfer and the maximum actual THROUGHPUT is 1.5/256? Anyone fill me in on this info? Thanks

TJ

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Re: Sure, lineshare is cheaper....

Sounds good here too, since I currently have Vonage and no LAN line, and since comcast can been a pain sometimes. I am always willing to try something new and this may be it.

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Re: Yeah, right.

Big Fat Hairy Deal (for most of us anyway)!

Speakeasy is only available in major cities, and did not seem to be considering new markets the last I heard.

This news is of no use to most of us regrettably.

I wish I could get Speakeasy, lineshare or dry pair, either one would do.
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