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Comments on news posted 2004-07-15 12:19:14: Is claiming to fight spy/adware and then delivering doubleclick adware cookies via your webmail website hypocritical? This Earthlink user in our stopping spam forum thinks so, and says he'll be leaving his ISP because of it. ..


technick
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Loganville, GA

Great!!!

That's Great!!! Tell these companies what you want with your wallet...
hescominsoon

join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD

Re: Great!!!

I jsut kill doubleclick cookies with my mozilla's built in cookie killer..i also have many many more blocked with spybot's hosts file mod..:P
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AmazingJason128

@mindspring.com

yea but...

Earthlink is cheaper...and my other ISP choices are Roadrunner and AOL, so there's no choice :/

First post

furlonium
Computer Over? Virus equals Very Yes?

join:2002-05-08
Bethlehem, PA

Re: yea but...

said by AmazingJason128:
Earthlink is cheaper...and my other ISP choices are Roadrunner and AOL, so there's no choice :/

First post

2nd post, silly.

Doubleclick delivers ad-content, yes? I'm not so sure that I'd personally classify it as "adware".

Karl Bode
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Re: yea but...

I believe Earthlink's own auditing system does:

»www.earthlink.net/spyaudit/press/

"Adware cookies", and they include them in their counts when users run their auditing software.

Jim_F
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join:2004-01-19
Caldwell, NJ


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Doubleclick installs a program on your machine or messes with the registry? I don't count cookies as adware, because even the site I'm posting this on uses them. Cookies are a timesaver.

And if I'm going to see ads, I'd much rather see ads for servers, or cars or baseball (or something) than ads for tampons or womens clothing.

-jim

dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast

More than doubleclick...

For kicks, I just went click happy on Earthlink's site... sales.liveperson[1].txt also tries to get in. I guess the monthly fees aren't enough.
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moonpuppy

join:2000-08-21
Glen Burnie, MD

Let's be upfront and honest.

Wonder why Earthlink (and other ISP's) do this. Not making enough money or just found a new revenue stream.

I wish they would be upfront and honest about it instead of burying it in the TOS.

AnonProxy
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Sooner or later he's not going to have a choice

Look it's simple, if you are that irate about cookies, ads, pop ups and the like, get a life, go outside and never go back on the internet.

Almost every ISP (infact ALL ISP's) have some for of advert on their websites...often times those adverts are placed by 3rd party ad services companies....you can run and hide from these folks but you will never really get away.

Now the question is what ISP is this idiot moving to? I'll bet his life isn't going to be any better no matter where he moves to.
parkbear

join:2004-02-02
Kamloops, BC

Re: Sooner or later he's not going to have a choice

I am a RR tech and I just looked on my PC, sure enough a RR Doubleclick cooki

garagerock
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Louisville, KY

said by AnonProxy See Profile:
Look it's simple, if you are that irate about cookies, ads, pop ups and the like, get a life, go outside and never go back on the internet.

Almost every ISP (infact ALL ISP's) have some for of advert on their websites...often times those adverts are placed by 3rd party ad services companies....you can run and hide from these folks but you will never really get away.

Now the question is what ISP is this idiot moving to? I'll bet his life isn't going to be any better no matter where he moves to.

»www.bluegrass.net/

Wrong on count one. Unless you see an ad here that I'm missing...it's all for the ISP (My ISP, in fact)

So by your rules, if a giant cockroach emerges from your computer every time you use the internet, and the ISP has this condition buried in their AUP, that would be okay?

Come on.

sivran
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Re: Sooner or later he's not going to have a choic

Cookies are harmless. I would never get irate about a cookie. I understand what they are and what they're used for, and it doesn't bother me a bit.
I wouldn't classify them as any sort of "-ware" as they are certainly not executable.

but AdAware uses them to inflate its item count.

Cookies are delicious delicacies -Netscape preferences panel, years ago.
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Sefirato
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Saint Augustine, FL

Re: Sooner or later he's not going to have a choic

Mozilla Firefox also mentions that line that you found in Netscape preferences panel.

Tools > Options > Privacy > Cookies - and you will see Cookies are delicious delicacies.


AnonProxy
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The whole web page is an add for the ISP, there isn't ONE ISP webpage out there that doesn't have adverts on it.

Heck it's got a BIG VOIP banner add on the right, CALL NOW!

SO again I'm right on all counts there isn't an ISP that doesn't have ad's and a lot of them are gonna dump cookies...sooner or later, in fact a lot SOONER, the guy is going to be out of ISP's to go to.

antiphishing
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Earthlink another ISP that lies.

I wouldn't recommend Earthlink to anyone because their
internet service is substandard and they outsource American jobs to Bangalore India.
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Hall
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join:2000-04-28
Dayton, OH

Re: Earthlink another ISP that lies.

and this is relevant to the topic how ?

viperpa33s
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Hartwell, GA
·Bright House

I don't have a choice as long as Sprint has a deal with Earthlink. Sure I can go to cable but it is not as good as Sprint DSL. I can even go to satellite but again, not as good. I was hoping that Sprint would do a BYOI, but it looks like that will never happen.

As I said earlier on another post, I don't have a problem with it as long as I am in control. It's when that control is taken away from me, that's when I will have a problem with it. When Earthlink starts to prevent me from blocking the ads, that's when I will raise holy hell.

chris holland

@dsl.gen

you guys are confusing issues

Earthlink's software gives you a *choice* to *disable* adware cookies from doubleclick (and many others), *for good*. Which means you'll still likely see ad banners from double click, because they're everywhere, but cookies they try to set will be ignored/thrown-away by the browser. This will result in those advertisers not being able to compile data about which sites you've been to.

I've enabled this feature in the past thru using the Total Access Toolbar, and launching the spyware detector. It will offer you to disable many things, among which are those pesky cookies.

Once you've done that, you should not be getting cookies being set by doubleclick when browsing webmail or other portal applications, regardless of which site you go to. You'll still see the ad banners, your browser just won't be storing any cookies doubleclick when it attempts to set them. They'll just get thrown away.

Earthlink would not do anything effective to protect your privacy from doubleclick by simply refusing to place their ad banners on their sites. Because as soon as you go to *ANOTHER* site, guess what, 90% chances are it'll have doubleclick ad banners.

The only relevant course of action to protect privacy regarding cookies being set by advertisers such as doubleclick is to *DISABLE* those cookies, which is *precisely* what earthlink lets you do thru their Total Access software.

I hope this clarifies things a bit.

rchandra
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more than one

OK, it's not adware or spyware, but unfortunately Verizon has a bad record of spamming its subscribers. Despite indicating preferences for NOT receiving "special offers," they will continue to send their subscribers everything from SOHO router to concert ticket sweepstakes offers. I guess what they have sent me in their eyes is not supposed to be special offers, although I'd love to know just as what they would have classed those emails.
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toadlife
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join:2004-05-03
Lemoore, CA

This guys needs to get out more

Cookies? Oh no, they might gather some annonymous browsing statistics from me and take 0.00001% of my bandwidth in the process! Must change ISP's!

Taurus333

join:2001-04-06
Ohio

Re: This guys needs to get out more

said by toadlife See Profile:
Cookies? Oh no, they might gather some annonymous browsing statistics from me and take 0.00001% of my bandwidth in the process! Must change ISP's!
Well, with the do not call list where people no longer have the excuse to vent their days/lives frustrations on telemarketers they gotta take it out on someone and since spam is being reduced and filtered better these days, spammers are harder to find so the ISP's become the next target in line. Just be happy he's taking it out on them instead of getting in his car and taking it out on other drivers.

indymike

@esysdesign.com

ALL ISP's use cookies?

The comment that ALL ISP's use cookies is not true. We don't.
nstarz

join:2004-04-07
San Jose, CA

Intresting...

Intresting, I stayed with Earthlink and dozens left Earthlink...

Just wondering, where do you guys go when you leave Earthlink?
Goldengamego
Premium
join:2004-02-22

Whatever

Text files people, they are just text files.

I don't really care if they 'try' to track me, I just clear my cookies once a week and I lose them.

Now if they tried to install gator/CWS/lop then yeah he would have a reason to be mad, but come on cookies? even broadbandreports.com (the google ads the free accounts see) uses them

Let me ask you this.

Do you have a credit card?
Do you have a bank account?
Do you have a drivers licence?
Do you have a passport?
Do you own a car?
Have you ever gotten a speeding ticket?
Have you ever sent an email?
Have you ever used an ATM machine?

Relax people, all the cookies can get is your browser, your IP (which BTW any site you visit gets anyway) and the sites you visit and this only if you visit a site with the same advertiser. It is inert text at any other site.

Just remember to clear them out at least once a week;)
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