obeythelaw
Premium
join:2003-04-16
Bayonne, NJ | Screw Verizon
I'm from NJ. If Verizon wants to play hardball, let 'em. Verizon is all talk. Screw them! |
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Qweets
join:2004-02-24
Chico, CA
| Maybe its not so far off?
Today our technology is way more advanced then it was back in the 90's we could most likely see phone companies rolling out fiber within the next couple of years and this will change the way the US uses the internet.. Keep our fingers crossed and hopes high |
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fuhgedabodit
@optonline.net | reply to obeythelaw
Re: Screw Verizon
It's called municipal fiber deployment, taxpayer funded.
Get it started, you have a democratic governer who spends money right, get on the wire in NJ! |
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DannyZ
Gentoo Fanboy
Premium
join:2003-01-29
Erie, PA | Never again
As a PA resident, they have already gotten enough of my cash. Not to mention I have had such bad experiences with this company I would never use their services again, even if it was free. Too little too late. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Why are "all of the people"...
...such a qualification for success? Millions don't have access to cable TV or marginally reliable cellular coverage, either. Where's your righteous indignation about that?
Verizon and their ilk are certainly not blameless, and may be money-grubbing corporate whores, but they are businesses and are entitled to make whatever money they can in this "deregulated" environment.
And..."...the carrier's network will have cost it about $1,360 per customer served. Supposing one third of Keller's population does subscribe to FTTP services at the $45 monthly rate, Verizon would take about two-and-a-half years to make its money back..."??? Two and a half years is pretty damn good on a large infrastructure investment. If this was a start-up, speculators would be killing each other to acquire stock. Is this really a news story or just more rousing of the front-page rabble in the name of "buzz"?
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Rise and take away their lies. |
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griminal
Finally.
join:2001-06-25
Bangor, MI | Whatever!
These weenies can't even get a DSL line to me at 6800 feet. No capacity they say.
Fiber... never going to happen. |
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neftv
join:2000-10-01
Broomall, PA | I guess PA is Screwed then.
nuff said.  |
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx | Muni.
Thanks for dragging out the histort, Carl. Perfect quality-of-life example of the US's nutso infatuation with placing longterm distributed services into the hands of a private sector built upon follow-the-money realities & short-term rewards. Muni. |
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edelite
join:2004-05-24
US | reply to obeythelaw
Re: Screw Verizon
Isn't this called BLACKMAIL? |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| reply to fuhgedabodit
Well to be honest I can understand where VZ is coming from. If federal and local governments put the same restrictions on VZ fiber as they do on VZ copper then there is no point in trying to deploy the technology because it would force VZ to share the lines it deployed with rivals who mostly likely won't pay enough to help off-set the cost of purchasing and laying down the lines.
If I were the President at VZ, I'd do the same thing. |
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BizFinancing
Premium
join:2003-01-10
Port Orchard, WA | reply to edelite
More like extortion |
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jmr50
join:2000-05-14
Chantilly, VA
| If Verizon won't play ball, why not Co-op?
Building out networks is capital and labor intensive, but why couldn't this be done on a smaller (local) scale by co-ops? Getting approvals for one town isn't that hard, and there are plenty of well-trained Bell folks who've taken early retirement who could design and implement something without all that corporate overhead. If all it takes it two grand and a dream, I bet a company could find enough dreamers to get up to critical mass. |
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edelite
join:2004-05-24
US | reply to fuhgedabodit
Re: Screw Verizon
Gov. James McGreevey doesn't seem to want to respond lately. Wrote him a letter about this though... |
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bottom line
@optonline.net
| reply to Qweets
Re: Maybe its not so far off? HUH? are you kidding
Bottom line is if you don't put pressure on this comany to improve service, deploy service, offer what customers want.. The fact is that telephone companies are a federally regulated service provider because the are guarantees of quality of service backed up by state regulation and punishment for noncompliance. The primary reason why this is the case goes back to the 1980's when Mabell shifted the gears of government for it's own purposes (not this can only be done with conglomerates of corporations with similar interests and enough cash get political access), now VZ can only tinker, whine and complain...not a true free-market leadership quality i look for in a company. If this company doesn't look forward and replace the copper plant, they're filing for bankrupcy in less than four years b/c the true service that will be cannibalized is VOICE- by voip. It's not consumer lust for broadband.
Right now, VZ is cherry picking deployments much in the same way as RCN did..but they didn't realize who they're real enemy was, the cable companies, not the phone companies, now they're a marginalized player..It's up to individual municipalities to decide whether or not there is not enough competition and what to do about it, set goals, deadlines and be prepared to do something about it, invite other companies to bypass VZ altogether and buildout it's own plants (make sure they can get the job done, and not make a mess of your telephone poles) |
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Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
Premium
join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH | reply to BizFinancing
Re: Screw Verizon
Actually, it's neither.. buy hey! who cares about details and facts and the meaning of words! |
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Marilla
I Am My Own Arbiter
Premium
join:2002-12-06
Belpre, OH | reply to RadioDoc
Re: Why are "all of the people"...
Buzz buzz...
You know, more power to the people, and suchlike... broadband Internet is a staple of life and all.
"Let them eat cake"... |
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
·Qwest.net
| Sounds familiar
Venison* sounds like the old US West their pronouncements were so full of crap you could use them for lawn food. The present day Qwest is much, much better.
*My spell check changed to this from Verizon I liked it so I left it.
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93254336
Weapons Of Masturbation
Premium
join:2001-10-20
| The Usual B.S. between Verizon and NJBPU
From the Star Ledger article:
quote:
"As we said a couple of months ago, we are rolling out some fiber to a handful of Bergen County towns, but the scope of the project has been greatly scaled back," said Rich Young, a spokesman for Verizon New Jersey. "We would clearly love for New Jersey to be part of this fiber-to-the-premises, but as we have consistently said, the wholesale rates are too low. The company is investing in fiber deployment in states with the best investment climate."
Once again, the NJBPU takes a myopic view of ILECs/CLECs to the ultimate detriment of NJ consumers. Verizon's true competitors are the cable service providers, as they are the only other major players with the necessary infrastructure to deliver voice, data, and video to the home.
I was also under the impression that one of the motivators for Verizon and the other ILECs to deploy FTTH was that they would not have to lease this new network to CLECs. If that is the case, then it makes little sense for Verizon to balk over wholesale copper twisted-pair rates in NJ; they should transition to fiber and decommission (or sell off) their copper ASAP, thereby making the CLEC "issue" moot.
- Dan
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JTRockville
Data Ho
Premium,MVM
join:2002-01-28
Rockville, MD
clubs:
 ·LINGO
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
 ·surpasshosting
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to jmr50
Re: If Verizon won't play ball, why not Co-op?
I'd buy that dream for five grand, jmr50  .
Fortunately, I've heard rumors that I live in an area that Verizon deems profitable (or maybe influential?) enough to consider serving up fiber to.
But until I actually see the light from Verizon, I'll have muni fiber in my dreams. |
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Estragon
join:2003-06-20
Greenville, NH
·Fairpoint Communic..
·MV Communications,..
| Just a Press Release
So far this appears to be just a Verizon press release -- and nothing more.
If you go to the Verizon web site to learn more about it or order it, you will find .... nothing. Well not quite, if you search hard enough you will find the press release.
So what does it mean? Don't mean sh*t. **SIGH**
So Verizon! When can I order it? When can you deliver it to me? |
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