Nightfall
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|  As was discussed earlier...
Even though Microsoft doesn't want to approve of piracy, a unpatched desktop is worse than going after the pirates. Microsoft knew that there would be HUGE problems if they didn't allow all copies of Windows XP to be patched with this release. With all the zombie and exploited machines out there, I can understand why they did this.
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
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jopfef
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| Good move....
VERY smart move on Microsoft's part. It would have been incredibly stupid not to protect ALL Windows XP systems out there.
I'm glad to see that MS is doing this, since security of ALL systems, legal or otherwise, is essential in today's world.
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google2
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Re: As was discussed earlier...
quote:
"There have been a number of discussions on this newsgroup regarding whether SP2 will install on non-genuine (aka "pirated") versions of Windows. Here is the official Microsoft position on this topic:
We expect that nearly all Windows XP users, running genuine or pirated Windows, will have access to the security technologies in SP2. The same users that were blocked from installing SP1 - those that have used a small set of legacy pirated product keys - will be blocked from installing SP2. We believe that there are very few systems in use today that use these keys -- in other words, the pirates have moved on to other keys which we are not blocking.
So how do we charaterize our policy?
We want to make sure that the broadest number of people can install SP2. The nature of malicious attacks on computer users is constantly changing and we will continue to evaluate how we deal with security updates for pirated versions of Windows to best protect our genuine Windows customers.
Thanks,
Gary Schare
Microsoft"
From »www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=9214
Everyone has their opinion on this - not everyone agrees on this issue. |
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zorgon
join:2002-04-01
Lopez Island, WA | Are two firewalls better than one?
Am wondering if AVG and windows firewallwill work together in harmony. Double layer protection. ??? |
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dosbubba
join:2002-01-26
Eustis, FL
| reply to Nightfall
Re: As was discussed earlier...
said by Nightfall  :
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
By not (if it was actually possible) allowing pirates, many of the users would switch to a free Unix-like operating system rather than pay for Windows. Allowing pirates lets Windows better compete with Linux and *BSD. |
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dliw
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Re: Are two firewalls better than one?
I have been doing this with my McAfee with no problems. |
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ctrip
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SP2 RTM |
said by zorgon :
Am wondering if AVG and windows firewallwill work together in harmony. Double layer protection. ???
I don't use the firewall, but SP2 seems to recognize AVG, so I would assume that they would be okay together. |
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Camelot One
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Well unless they have further improved the SP2 firewall since RC2, you will WANT a second firewall, if you have any hope of reliably stopping outgoing traffic. I found that the RC2 firewall alerted me to most things, but even when it said it was currently blocking them, it wasn't.
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Camelot One
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| reply to Nightfall
Re: As was discussed earlier...
said by Nightfall :
Even though Microsoft doesn't want to approve of piracy, a unpatched desktop is worse than going after the pirates.
I agree completely. I certainly understand the argument for not allowing pirates to upgrade, but forcing them to run unpatched/compromised machines only hurts people who HAVE paid for their MS software.
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nursemike
join:2001-10-14
Palm Bay, FL
| SP2 and HP computers
I hope that running SP 2 on my HP computer goes better than SP 1. HP neglected to let their users know that a special patch had to be run before SP 1 could be installed. Running SP 1 without the patch wiped out my other hard drive partitions.  |
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dsampley
join:2001-04-19
Hopkinsville, KY | I have SP 2 loaded on one of my desktops computers now. I have a MSDN subscription so SP2 is already available for download.
So far nothing has been broken. I did turn the software firewall off becuase I am running a hardware firewall. |
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Carbon Unit
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Saint Charles, MO | All this talk and
i still dont see it on the update site |
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drjim
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clubs: | Good for MS!
MUCH better to let the pirates patch than infect/clog/ddos/zombie etc.
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Nightfall
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Re: As was discussed earlier...
said by dosbubba :
said by Nightfall :
To be honest, I dislike the pirates as well and would like to see something be done down the road to fix the piracy problem. Not allowing patches isn't the way to go.
By not (if it was actually possible) allowing pirates, many of the users would switch to a free Unix-like operating system rather than pay for Windows. Allowing pirates lets Windows better compete with Linux and *BSD.
If Linux could run every application that Windows could run, I might agree with your statement. The fact of the matter is that *nix is an entirely different ball of wax than Windows. Not allowing pirates to upgrade wouldn't result in a huge move over to *nix. At least until *nix could run EVERYTHING that windows can run.
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BIGMIKE
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| reply to Nightfall
Re: Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
Despite Microsoft's best efforts to thwart piracy, underground sources indicate a key generator is now available to crack the upcoming release of Service Pack 2 for the Windows XP operating system.:D
Windows XP SP2 cracked already?
»www.theinquirer.net/?article=17010 |
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Camelot One
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Sarasota, FL
clubs: | Well, I would imagine so. SP2 just blocks previous "known" pirate keys, so it wouldn't take much work to put together a keygen that excluded the same keys. |
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storm64007
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Freeport, NY
| reply to nursemike
Re: SP2 and HP computers
said by nursemike :
I hope that running SP 2 on my HP computer goes better than SP 1. HP neglected to let their users know that a special patch had to be run before SP 1 could be installed. Running SP 1 without the patch wiped out my other hard drive partitions.
Works fine on HP computers. Been using the beta for months and now i have the final sp2 running without a glitch. |
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loserhead
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join:2004-01-01
Ellijay, GA
| reply to Nightfall
Re: As was discussed earlier...
Linux can do everything that windows can do. the applications have different names, but the same functions.
5 years from now, when major linux desktop operating systems are the norm, people will be saying what YOU said about the next generation of operating systems. IMHO
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| Works with what pirated keys?
In the beginning there was FCK4GW key and that was banned. Then pirates came up with keygens but the recent fear was that you'd have to have a PID of 640 in order to use SP2. Keygens that create keys in this range came out a while ago.
So, are we saying that they haven't changed the "lock" since SP1 (and *any* generated keys will work) or are we saying that the new lock has just already been broken? I'm just not sure I would read into this as "microsoft hoping to include the pirates for security reasons".
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