SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
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join:2001-09-16
99999 | What?
How is distributing a FREE update to something violating a DMCA?? Its actually saving MS bandwidth. |
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs: | Maybe I'm missing something
but what is the point in using BT to download this when you can max out your download getting it from M$'s website.
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BushSux
@clevoh.ameritech | reply to SKYHN
Re: What?
It sounds like MS wants to know who's downloading it. Perhaps to get an idea of how many people have illegal copies already... |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
clubs: | reply to SKYHN
I am downloading the service pack via Getright (I have dial-up and can't get it all at one connection) and it is grabbing it from other mirrors as well. Seems other people have it on their FTP servers. |
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Sly
Premium
join:2004-02-20
Johnson City, TN
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| reply to MarkyD
Re: Maybe I'm missing something
Only if their site is not experiencing heavy traffic can you get a maximum download. A torrent is a very efficient means of transferring a file. Think of it... If I were hosting a video conference, all I would need is enough bandwidth to upload 1 complete copy of the streaming video. The torrent network will then share the file to all other users that are connected. Essentially I can have a million users view my video, even though I only upload at 256kb/s. Congress is considering making all file sharing illegal, even though applications such as the torrent are invaluable.
They were using this as an example to demonstrate how powerful file sharing could be. In the end, torrents may eliminate the bottleneck problems of the net, if they aren't made illegal...:( |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH | reply to SKYHN
Re: What?
Microsoft has plenty of resources to meet the demand for the update, and they want to control access to updates to their licensed product. The update isn't free, you just paid for it when you bought Windows XP...or did you? |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
Premium
join:2001-09-16
99999
| said by yock  :
Microsoft has plenty of resources to meet the demand for the update, and they want to control access to updates to their licensed product. The update isn't free, you just paid for it when you bought Windows XP...or did you?
I dont use WinXP 
SP2 installs on pirated versions though. So then thats not the problem. |
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djtim21
It's all good
Premium
join:2003-12-22
Buffalo Grove, IL
clubs:
|  MS owns the Copyright?
The reason why you CAN NOT distribute this is because -
#1 - DUH Microsoft owns Windows.
#2 - DUH Microsoft owns their Service Packs?
#3 - READ - When you download the Service Pack, you agree not to distribute it. Even the IT version states that you may only apply the service pack within the company, not to distribute on the internet.
#4 - Retarded - IMHO are the people with BT that thought this would bring lagatmiacy to the BT movement and thought that Microsoft would "Just go along with it"
I totaly agree that BT or other forms of P2P are a great advance, but now this will spin a different way.
As an IT person, I would NEVER download a Service Pack from a BT or any other source other then MS due to people that could "Play" with the files.
And for the public, there is "Automatic Updates" that will allow a home user to install the service pack at their leasure.
Again, IMHO I think that this was a very BAD way for the people using BT to bring to light how well the BT system works. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to Sly
Re: Maybe I'm missing something
If their primary goal was to sway the minds of senators so they stop drafting crap like the Induce Act, they should have picked an application or an update the author wanted distributed by third parties to make their point.... |
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Techie2000
In Vertigo
Premium
join:2001-12-05
clubs: | That's already been done. Linux Distros have been distributed via Bit Torrent for some time now.
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itaLix
join:2002-11-20
clubs:
| Good thing
I think it is a good thing that MS stopped this distribution. (Well at least told the DB to stop)
because then there is a possibility of users downloading a MS "patch" spiked with a virus/trojan.... too big of a risk for that.
Although people using BT are usually savvy enough to spot something wrong, but not all.
MS isn't worried about bandwith consuption as much as having real SP2 delivered to the customers. |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to SKYHN
Re: What?
I think you're missing the point. MS is doing their best to control access to the update because there's no way for the service pack to determine whether you bought the software or not. How could it? Ask you to hold up your receipt really close to the monitor? Of course it will install on pirated copies.
I also maintain my statement about the update not being free. The cost of software updates is included in the purchase price of the product. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to Techie2000
Re: Maybe I'm missing something
Well so has Lindows, and so has updates for Blizzard....
That said, we can assume then that their main point was to get hits? |
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zoom314
Superman
Premium
join:2001-04-30
Yermo, CA
| Besides downloading SP2 by way of BT could be harm
Besides downloading SP2 by way of BT could be harmful to Microsofts image, If someone had altered the SP2 files somehow and that is what MS is afraid of and that is Why They don't want to lose Control of what is their baby, MS created SP2, Not US the Users......
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| reply to Karl Bode
Re: Maybe I'm missing something
said by Karl Bode :
If their primary goal was to sway the minds of senators so they stop drafting crap like the Induce Act, they should have picked an application or an update the author wanted distributed by third parties to make their point....
I'll concede that argument. I, in fact, sent a letter to each of my Senators and Representatives asking them to vote against the Induce Act. That statement implies that Microsoft is in a position to lead the industry. Granted, they are, but do you really want that to be the case? Shouldn't we be focusing on influencing our lawmakers make decisions independent of Microsoft's position? |
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SKYHN
Lu.. Lu.. Lulululu
Premium
join:2001-09-16
99999
| reply to yock
Re: What?
But my point is, if your allowing it to be installed on pirated systems, why care about where its being downloaded from? If EVERY SINGLE copy of windows xp, legit or pirated, is able to use it without restriction, what is the problem?
If they wanted to fight piracy the best thing they could do is release a somewhat complete and secure product. Many of the people who pirate their software is because they dont want to pay a premium price for a incomplete and insecure product. Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel? |
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yock
TFTC
Premium
join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| said by SKYHN :
But my point is, if your allowing it to be installed on pirated systems, why care about where its being downloaded from? If EVERY SINGLE copy of windows xp, legit or pirated, is able to use it without restriction, what is the problem?
They aren't "allowing" it, they simply have no way of restricting it reliably. I thought I made that point very clear... |
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jhboricua
ExMod 2000-01
join:2000-06-06
Minneapolis, MN
clubs:
| reply to djtim21
Re: MS owns the Copyright?
said by [djtim21:
]As an IT person, I would NEVER download a Service Pack from a BT or any other source other then MS due to people that could "Play" with the files.
As an IT person, you should know that can be easily cleared by checking the SHA1 or MD5 hash of the bt downloaded file against the one on the MS site.
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SlickEnW
Premium
join:2003-01-21
Seattle, WA
clubs: | hmm
well to all who don't know MS has sp2 on their servers already so yah...and i DOUBT it would be bogged down, ms has alot of bandwidth to go around trust me  . |
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Maxo
Your tax dollars at work.
Premium,VIP
join:2002-11-04
Tallahassee, FL
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| reply to SKYHN
Re: What?
said by SKYHN :
Many of the people who pirate their software is because they dont want to pay a premium price for a incomplete and insecure product. Would you buy a new car with 3 tires, 1 door and half a steering wheel?
I know many people who pirate software (such as OS's) and don't think twice about it. I've never heard any of them given that excuse. And no I wouldn't buy a 3 tired car, but I wouldn't steel it either.
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