kapil
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Chicago, IL | What did you expect...
...From Microsoft? |
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osme
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON | What kind of useless comment is that? Are you some kind of moron? |
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Bananas
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Santa Barbara, CA | Gee whiz... he was just commenting on the article, why do you have to turn it into a personal attack to make yourself feel superior? Stick to the topic for what it's worth. |
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dleaberr
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said by osme  :
What kind of useless comment is that? Are you some kind of moron?
I wouldn't go so far as to say that. The poster is merely stating that microsoft has no incentive to release open source compatible ideas/code. That is no big surprise. Seeing as how most ISP level servers are running *nix varients with Sendmail or Postfix the "Open source-ability" of the code is important. |
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reub2000
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join:2001-12-28
Evanston, IL | SenderID has what to do with apache?
Last time I checked, apache was for httpd, not for e-mail. Have they now included an e-mail server? |
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osme
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Re: What did you expect...
I was referring to his lack of explanation or contribution to the discussion. Oh well, at least he didn't make any reference to posting first.
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osme
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join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON | reply to dleaberr
Indeed. See, now, doesn't an explanation go well with his (poorly) stated opinion? |
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Steve
I'm a PC, so shut up
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join:2001-03-10
Yorba Linda, CA | reply to reub2000
Re: SenderID has what to do with apache?
The Apache Foundation involves a lot of things beyond the webserver (SpamAssassin, for instance). |
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firephoto
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The slashdot posting mentioned SpamAssassin so it actually has a lot to do with apache. 
»spamassassin.apache.org/
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nixen
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They aren't rejecting SenderID the software, they are rejecting the license under which it is being released. They would be willing to support the software if it were released with a more OpenSource friendly license (e.g., Apache, GPL, LGPL, BSD).
I can't believe that SPF sold its soul...
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keith2468
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join:2001-02-03
Winnipeg, MB
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Re: What did you expect...
Or he just doesn't like companies full of well paid wealthy computer geeks, or he doesn't like paying for software, or lots of other possibilities too.
Unless one can read minds one can't really tell why he has that opinion.
I think it was just an ad homonym argument (name calling).
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Trakker
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ß | What do you expect from the Open Source morons?
Duh!?!?! |
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DaDogs
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Re: What did you expect...
Or... maybe if you READ the attached article his comment would make perfect sense.
Microsoft has encumbered the technology with a patent which would place Microsoft in ownership of core Internet technology.
Surely this would be unacceptable to anyone. |
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DaDogs
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Deltaville, VA
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Re: SenderID has what to do with apache?
said by reub2000 :
Last time I checked, apache was for httpd, not for e-mail. Have they now included an e-mail server?
Did you read the news article?
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Neil
Stop All The Downloadin
join:2003-08-20
New York, NY | reply to Trakker
Re: What do you expect from the Open Source morons
That added just as much contribution to the discussion as the first poster. |
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tcp1
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join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA | reply to kapil
Re: What did you expect...
Yeah.. That's it. If the open source community rejects it, but Microsoft is for it, it MUST be bad. No other consideration or thinking is required.
Sarcasm noted, I hope. |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
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Re: What do you expect from the Open Source morons
Well it makes perfect sense.
Surely you don't expect Microsoft to just throw any of its code to the open source community? Don't be a fool. They are in competition with each other. Just as Yahoo has created its own scheme, the open sources community should do the same. Then of course the problem is getting all this crap to work together. |
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rchandra
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Re: Technically Speaking...
I would agree.
I think Meng Wong et. al. was so worried about adoption of something to stem the gigantic tide of spam, that people would adopt Caller-ID and leave SPF in the backwater of good but unimplemented ideas, so he thought let's compromise and take that under our wings so it all works and it all gets implemented. In part, he's right, just because MS is so big. They're so big that there is almost some truth the the lightbulb joke * .
As for The Apache Foundation, I'd have to agree with them. You can't encumber standards with IPR claims/reservations. Call me crazy, but I'd rather see something more like a Red Hat Software "defensive patent" than what I see in the licensing terms for Sender-ID...or even assign all rights to the IETF/IAB/whatever.
* For those who haven't heard/read it: How many Microsoft engineers does it take to screw in a lightbulb? None: Microsoft just declares "darkness" to be a new "standard."
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rchandra
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Re: SenderID has what to do with apache?
said by reub2000 :
Last time I checked, apache was for httpd, not for e-mail. Have they now included an e-mail server?
"Included" as in "included with httpd?" no. There is however JAMES from the Apache Foundation, which is mail software.
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Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
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You can still use SPF, all it requiers is some text entries in your DNS. No patent licence needed:)
I doubt Microsoft would care if they added SenderID to apache, it's not like MS is going to make any money of this.
More about SPF here,
»spf.pobox.com/
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