navalpatel
join:2003-07-28
Lubbock, TX | Tsk... tsk...
Cable and DSL companies are not gonna be happy about this... FINALLY SOMETHING IN OUR FAVOR! |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA
| BPL BS
Powell doesn't really believe in BPL. It's just a distraction to keep the focus away from the fact that he's handing the ILECs back their monopoly. As soon as that's re-secured, the FCCs push for BPL will end and we'll all be on expensive severely bandwidth-limited port-blocked abominations provided by our friendly neighborhood ILEC. |
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jporter07
join:2004-03-22
Mobile, AL | If the availability of cable and DSL are both present at one location then that is enough competition. Kind of like the lesser of two evils! HOORAY FOR CABLE! |
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doppler
join:2003-03-31
Blue Point, NY | FCC: Damn the torpedo's FULL SPEED AHEAD
Someones going to sink, when they hit. |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| Haven't we heard enough already?
You have other countries who have tried it & dropped it
You have a growing number of engineers who speak out against it.
You have a growing number of emergency & government professionals who use the radio are finding that the interference is unacceptable. This does not even mention the Amateur Radio Operators (Ham's), who by their building & troubleshooting their own radios know what interference is all about & it's causes, who have been the most vocal.
I think the current leadership in the FCC is more managerial than technical - it should be the other way around. They should check out & evaluate the technical aspects before making managerial descions.
In this case, it looks like the leapt before they looked - and landed in a swamp of conterversity! |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | reply to doppler
Re: FCC: Damn the torpedo's FULL SPEED AHEAD
Yeah, what credibility Powell still has.
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Rise and take away their lies |
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ropeguru
Premium
join:2001-01-25
Bridgeport, WV
clubs:
 ·VOIPo
| Just goes to show...
just how far Powell has his head up his a$$. It is so far up there he cannot hear or see how bad this is going to be. Has his own personal opinion about what should be and disregards any trials and their failures showing how this is going to effect users in other frequency spectrums. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Not to mention *received* interference...
The radiated interference issues aside, the technology relies on so many hacks and paper-clipped work-arounds that it is laughably susceptible to destructive interference to itself! The very areas where this is being trumpeted as The Solution--rural, low population density areas along with some of outlying suburbia--have notoriously bad power. Anyone who has tried to listen to weak AM or shortwave stations near such a power line knows this will never fly.
The power companies would be $Billions ahead if they just strung fiber along the static drains and neutrals like they routinely do with HV transmission lines, and deployed wireless as the "last mile", which in this case is the last 100 feet.
Didn't the dot-bomb economy teach investors anything?
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Rise and take away their lies |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
 ·Comcast
| Well...
...if it ever comes to my area, I will be looking into getting it. Our powerlines are under ground, so if it is able to be implemented here, interference should not be an issue. 
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jwsmiths4
Part Man, Part Mac
Premium
join:2003-10-25
Savannah, GA
1 edit |  BWL
Hey Guys I have a great idea for a way of delivering broadband with virtually NO interference.... we can send our internet over our water pipes.... advanced devices measuring extremely slight variations in water pressure will facilitate sending data through our water supply... Great idea right? Should have Powell and the FCC look into that one....
/Sarcasm |
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Heterman
Premium
join:2004-02-28
Fayetteville, AR
| reply to dadkins
Re: Well...
Well, I don't know much about this but... Why couldn't they use another frequency spectrum? It seems to me they could use the 2.4 or 5.8ghz to broadcast this. Those freq's are not in the HF band and they don't seem to travel far. Now I know this will probably cause havoc to the wireless routers and cordless phones we now have, but they surely could find a better frequency to broadcast this on.
All of the new lines around here are going underground anyway, so there shouldn't be much interference...let's hope. |
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Goober
Premium
join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL
·Comcast
·WOW Internet and C..
| reply to jwsmiths4
Re: BWL
said by jwsmiths4  :
Hey Guys I have a great idea for a way of delivering broadband with virtually NO interference.... we can send our internet over our water pipes.... advanced devices measuring extremely slight variations in water pressure will facilitate sending data through our water supply... Great idea right? Should have Powell and the FCC look into that one....
/Sarcasm
I suppose, even though you're being sarcastic, that your proposal really isn't much different than other ones along the same lines. For example, using flourescent tube lighting to transmit data. Flicker the light fast enough where humans can't detect it, but be sending binary transmissions that a light decoder can understand.
Why not a smilar concept with water pipes. Send low voltage pulses through and decode. |
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guitarzan
Premium
join:2004-05-04
Skytop, PA | Not to get to far off topic,Cant they just supply juiceboosted
for the rural areas and the *last mile* .Instead of bpl.? |
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PthirusPubis6
join:2003-05-24
00000 | If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!
Finally broadband for rural America!
I'm glad the FCC didn't listen to all the self-proclaimed experts that have been working so hard to block this.
Heh heh heh!
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Agent 86
| reply to jwsmiths4
Re: BWL
"Hey Guys I have a great idea for a way of delivering broadband with virtually NO interference.... we can send our internet over our water pipes.... advanced devices measuring extremely slight variations in water pressure will facilitate sending data through our water supply... Great idea right? Should have Powell and the FCC look into that one...."
That is a great idea! The Internet to every toilet in America! Browse while you poop!
Seriously, I agree with the person who said that if the power companies want to get into telecom, they should string fiber. This BPL stuff is crap, and will never be competitive with Cable or DSL even if they can make it work. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to PthirusPubis6
Re: If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!
If you live in the rural area and have been ignored by cable and telco, then I'm happy BPL is coming to you! It's about time people out that far have a chance for something.
Hopefully when you can the county public safety services, the transmission won't be hindered by your ability to have "fast Internet access."
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subman87
Another day in the Brentwood
join:2000-11-24
Harrison, NY | reply to navalpatel
Re: Tsk... tsk...
I couldn't agree more, Con Edison (here in Westchester County) is one of the electric companies that is a major player in this BPL testing. |
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AJ5TT
join:2003-08-17
Friendswood, TX
| reply to PthirusPubis6
Re: If man were meant to fly, he'd have wings!
Hey folks, Broadband over power lines sounds like a good idea and the field trials have proven that you can move data. You can get data from point A to point B over power lines. You have to wonder why you have not seen any results of problems or interference from these field trials. They are secret. They do not want you to know. Trials have been shut down and there are existing trials that should be shut down. You may have read about a term call “notching” (which really is not correct) to reduce interference. Notching is not working too well either and the more you notch the less bandwidth they have to play with.
From just a couple of items I have read from the FCC web site, filings about BPL you can find: HAM radio operators report and have documented interference, government agencies have requested if BPL is implemented zones of silence where the equipment should not be installed, a company who provides HF communications for pilots submitted their objections and documentation of interference
Then it makes you wonder about the ARRL filing to have the FCC Chairman to Recuse himself from the BPL vote due to "It's a glaring, glaring violation of the ex parte rules,". Rules that the have been set to restrict avocation of a product but to have the commission act as an independent body to judge. A real kicker.
One last thing.. “Rural America” you got to be kidding. Some have labeled Kansas City as rural! This will be implemented (and if implemented) only where the CEO’s can make money. Do not believe for a second they are doing this out of the kindness of their hearts to help the person out in the boonies. |
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AJ5TT
join:2003-08-17
Friendswood, TX
| reply to PthirusPubis6
Ok.. Toll bait.
The interference that I have read about generally have been created by engineers. So I would consider them experts.
I am still waiting on the results from the companies doing the BPL field trials about interference mitigation. Seen Any? If you find any post the links |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| BS and full of it
not only is the FCC spouting BS, they're full of it too.
In the articla above, Karl has it exactly right:
Michael Powell is not a stupid man; he must know full well all the problems with BPL. He and others at the FCC are pushing BPL so it looks like there is a "new competitor" in the broadband market. All they have to do is keep the BPL show going for a little while longer, so they can shout "look, more broadband competition, to give those ILECs and cablecos a run for their money" while they go about the business of deregulating the telecom and broadband industry.
They may be able to fool enough senators and congressmen (most of whom seem woefully ignorant on this subject) that the FCC dereg agenda slides by.
It's not entirely clear to me that a different administration would make the situation any better. If you really want fast broadband sooner than several years from now, move to Japan. |
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