brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS | Finally
It's about time. |
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ropeguru
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Bridgeport, WV
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| I figured
that this is the way the FCC would rule. And I personally do not have a problem with it. Since it is a full new build out for the ILEC's then they shouldn't have to share. Any other CLEC could do the same thing.
People in here will probably disagree with me by saying that the CLEC's do not have enough money to do this. But if one stops to think, most CLEC's are located in a much smaller geographical area as the ILEC's and would not have as much to build out.
Now the CLEC's I am speaking of are those that try and rival the ILEC's services directly. My best example would be like Cavalier Telephone here in my area. |
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Ryno
The Wanderer
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join:2001-04-07
Danielsville, PA | reply to brandon
Re: Finally
Yeh right, lets give the phone companies more breaks while they still refuse to invest outside of towns. Phone and cable keep upping the ante in town yet ignoring those people whos houses aren't 20 per block. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD | i've got a better idea
Lease the old copper back!
They should give it back to the public domain (which paid for it in the first place) and let other companies use it and pay for the maintenance. |
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mishaq
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Richardson, TX
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1 edit | Not as simple as it sounds. Maintaining copper is the most expensive thing the telcos have to do, it takes a significant amount of money and man power. In fact, once their entire network is all fiber they will be very happy because its is much easier to have fiber than thousands and thousands and thousands of pairs of aging copper that you have to supply electricity to, and splice and switch etc. |
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Boricua65
join:2002-01-26
Puerto Rico |  The inventor
I wonder how Alexandre Graham Bell feel about all this? |
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Goldengamego
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join:2004-02-22
Okemos, MI
|  um......
maybe you missed this ....
"but will have to lease existing copper runs they upgrade to fiber."
Is that not just about every DSL line in the US???
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brandon
Some truth included in this post.
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Hurley, MS | reply to Ryno
Re: Finally
I'm living proof of the opposite my friend. |
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Digital_Boy
@sbc.com
| San Diego residents may get lit a bit sooner...
Heard an interesting bit of news from one of our construction guys. They're gearing up for a big push around the end of Q1 '05 for deploying FTTP in greenbelt AND brownbelt areas.
Seems the San Diego City Council wants SBC to tear down all the old "aerial" infrastructure and stick it in the ground. Guess since we get picked to host the Superbowl and such all the time, they want to pretty up the city. It's going to happen, but SDCC wants SBC to pay all of the bill for doing it, and SBC is taking them to court about it. But, either way, existing areas and new construction will be upgraded in the next few years here in SD.  |
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2kmaro
Think
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Re: um......
The question's answer will be in the definition of "existing run" and "new run". If I were Bell, I'd leave the old copper in place and run fiber parallel to it! Then when I get to a demarc box I can offer the end user a choice: old copper for your phone, sir? along with 3rd party DSL? Or new fiber for all your broadband communication needs? Oh, and I can offer you a discount 'bundle' price if you get phone, internet, and (yet to be thought of/offered up) video entertainment feed through that same fiber.
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
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1 edit | hmmm
good, where is the fiber Qwest? |
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Agent 86
| This can only be good
Let's face it, the idea of unbundling has proven to be a false god. Unbundling doesn't put fiber in the ground. It doesn't promote investment. |
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N3OGH
Bear patrol must be working like a charm
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join:2003-11-11
Philly burbs | I'll dance a jig..
When the fiber backs up to my eaves.
An not a second before. We were all ready sold a bill of goods here in PA.
I'll believe it when I see it. |
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GemSnake
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Re: hmmm
said by paulhaskew  :
good, where is my fiber?
Where sun don't shine! Come on, what part of "2-3-year deployment plans" isn't clear?
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SteveCon
IBEW 2222 Boston, MA
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Burlington, MA
 ·Verizon FIOS
| reply to nasadude
Re: i've got a better idea
If the copper plant were "given to the public domain" then those "competitive rates" charged by CLECs would disappear! The CLECs couldn't afford to maintain the plant and compete with the ILECs. They might do it at the large biz customer level, but not at the residential level as the residential market is the most costly to serve. The result would be expensive telephony services that would become more and more unstable. Does this really serve anyone?? Besides, if fiber went by your home - would you want DSL as we know it (over copper)? |
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paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman
join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
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1 edit | reply to GemSnake
Re: hmmm
first off, your remark is totally RUDE!!! I guess your momma didn't teach you, "If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all."
um, it gonna be a lot longer than that for me... I am in a Qwest area...  |
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gene32
join:2004-05-03
Reynoldsburg, OH
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Re: i've got a better idea
said by mishaq :
Not as simple as it sounds. Maintaining copper is the most expensive thing the telcos have to do, it takes a significant amount of money and man power. In fact, once their entire network is all fiber they will be very happy because its is much easier to have fiber than thousands and thousands and thousands of pairs of aging copper that you have to supply electricity to, and splice and switch etc.
So I guess this means that once telco's lay fiber everywhere, everyone can expect cheaper internet/telephone service over those glass lines? HA, yeah right!
Just like when the RIAA was producing tapes at a cost of $2? $1.50? and selling them for $15 and CDs come along and cost about $0.03 to produce yet the savings were sucked up by greedy snakes instead of selling us CDs for $5-$8. Their excuse was "higher advertising budget, etc etc etc". I can't wait to see the BS excuses telcos come up with to justify paying the same....er, MORE for cheaper fiber (vs copper) and lower line maint. |
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AJ023
join:2001-12-25
Forest Hills, NY
| Let the competition BEGIN!
According to what I heard apartments in NYC will only get fiber to the building if they dont already have it so even though Im looking forward to fiber, I honestly dont think that the buildings will pay the thousands of dollars necessary to outfit new equipment. I guess if the tenants really and I mean really want it, we could take a vote on it with the co-op board and such cost to run cable though would mean extra money per month on our maintanence bills for upgrades.
I think this ruling is in all of our interests however. In my area we have 3 broadband options, RCN, Verizon and Time Warner and all 3 will be triple play options with voice, video and data now that Verizon will be doing FIOS with TV. Also let us not forget, home owners and apartment owners with balconies and the like (I dont have such) will be also able to still get TV through DIRECTV and Dishnetwork and even 2 way satellite internet and the like. So on the TV side we will have competition, and on the broadband side, we will have competition although not as good due to latency issues at this time. Higher revenue per user means we get fiber and we have competition especially in NYC Metro. Time Warner will have to increase speeds and be more competitive on pricing to compete. And RCN will have to figure out a way to profitability whether it be with a takeover, or whatnot. Infrastructure is there and in place and will definitely be used even if RCN does not emerge from bankruptcy because the big cost was rolling it out which increased RCN's debt load. 3 options for us for wired broadband/CATV is excellent. Unfortunately most areas will have 2 providers and some may only lucky to have 1. And some areas will have a competing municipal fiber company as well.
This will not entrench the companies providing our broadband because there will be competition for something that is REALLY EXPENSIVE to roll out and deploy. As prices come down, we will have new entrants gradually come in. Companies can also come outside of their own territories and compete as well. So if SBC wanted to they could also come into play in NYC for fiber although likely only after they built fiber in their own markets that was profitable.
This news is WIN WIN for all of us and its the only way to lead us to fiber and newer services and will encourage the incumbent cable cos to move/build out more fiber.
Now let the COMPETITION BEGIN!  Right now Im on RCN whos bankrupt and service quality is bad (For users in my community at least) . However they are bankrupt and are competing solely on price to retain their existing customers.
With competition on RCN, Time Warner or Verizon, who would you choose? Now we will finally after years of having a forced cable + telephone company have REAL choice! |
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pcscdma
Chocobo Chocobo Random Battle
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Winterset, IA
clubs: | reply to paulhaskew
Re: hmmm
Where is my DSL? |
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GemSnake
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3rd layer
clubs: | reply to paulhaskew
Well, let's not discuss my manners here. My comment meant to be rude. Now, that you editted your post, it makes more sense.
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