MikeStammer
No prison can hold me
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join:2002-12-26
Aurora, IL | Has anyone seen or tried it?
i dont see how we currently have the bandwidth to do this yet. Even those of us lucky enough to have 6 Mb pipes seem limited. Is this HDTV quality or like streaming video quality? |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
clubs: | DaveTV?
Does Daivd Lee Roth get any royalty's from this service? |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| reply to MikeStammer
Re: Has anyone seen or tried it?
Was going to say something similar. We can barely get low-res streaming to perform reliably. Even for AUDIO.
The older linked thread indicates that Akimbo, at least, requires 700-1500k of steady bandwidth.
I just can't imagine how these things are going to fly.
If they're just going to perform time-shifted downloads, well, that's what BitTorrent is for, I guess. Not to mention PVR's.
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Brown2
@rr.com
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My guess is its not 1080i HDTV quality. But more likely something like 480p quality.
But I can't see how they are going to make a business off of non-realtime video. All of these services so far are based on downloading the content to a local device and playing it back after it downloads. Especially when I can pay for service with my cable company and get real-time 1080i HDTV video. Which is going to let far better than anything these services can offer.
Until they get fiber video into the homes, you won't be able to really see anything close to cable TV with IP TV. The bandwith is just not there right now for true real-time video. |
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strohsbeer
@165.236.x.x | WTF?
I still don't see the need to turn your $1000 PC into a $100 television. Talk about a waste of bandwidth. |
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B
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join:2000-10-28 | reply to Brown2
Re: Has anyone seen or tried it?
Dot Com Part II -- The Search For Bandwidth
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jap
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join:2003-08-10
038xx
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| reply to B
May not be streamed. The BBC just started offering 3minute segments of their in-house, owned non-fiction (documentaries, nature shows, news, and the like) TV footage - some of it quite old. Their intent is to eventually offer all of their TV shows for download. I think the startups mentioned in this article are smart to get a jump on the content hosting prior to the demand spike because it's cheap for them to put it up, they get a jump on content conversion, practice at distributed bandwidth delivery, and the fiber base is going to grow fast, once it gets started. Market share, market share, market share.
The cool thing is such massive files in mass consumption will definitely drive us into intelligent peer-caching networks. Years of piracy has groomed the public to accept being part of the delivery system; I knew there was a silver lining to all this piracy! |
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jap
Premium
join:2003-08-10
038xx | reply to strohsbeer
Re: WTF?
People want time shift. And most will choose to turn their TVs into connected storage, not PCs into TVs. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to strohsbeer
When a service is provided, the move will be more geared to appliances that will use that service. IP television will eventually play on regular sets, not just PC.
Here's the competition in the future...Cable companies have the triple threat advantage right now (VoIP, streaming video on demand, HSI), but they are limited by the technology of the cable infrastructure.
Once Telcos begin offering fiber based services in a broad manner, people will have a true choice of which conduit to receive their service.
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to strohsbeer
said by strohsbeer:
I still don't see the need to turn your $1000 PC into a $100 television. Talk about a waste of bandwidth.
Ever hear of Media Center Computers? I'm typing this from a Sony that is a laptop, TV, DVR, Digital Stereo, etc.
I already record certain well wanted TV programs that most people have to download to time-shift on their computers. I have Comcast HSI going in one port, Comcast Cable TV going in another(misc outputs to various other devices too). Some of us don't need ISP-TV, we already have TV and use our bandwidth for computer related tasks.
Then there is Backspace... »www.backspace.tv/theatre.asp?use···erything  Don't knock it!
Life is good! 
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UnionJax
join:2002-09-25
Richmond, IN
| Competition
Ive got a feeling that if this way to take off in a big way, the cable companies would just limit how much you could download. Which of course some of them are doing anyway, thats if Broadband TV was to compete in any way with their cable service in the future. |
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strohsbeer
@165.236.x.x | reply to dadkins
Re: WTF?
well, for those of us with limited incomes and lives/jobs to attend to, i still don't see the need here, but that's just MHO.
TIVO, anyone? |
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jokerjury
join:2000-11-18
Salt Lake City, UT | Invisible Usage Caps
Is it even possible without running over the invisible bandwidth usage caps? |
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dadkins
Can you do Blu?
Premium,MVM
join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
·Comcast
| reply to strohsbeer
Re: WTF?
Some of us are disabled, how limited of an income are we talking here?
TIVO? Better than TIVO! I can watch recorded shows or type posts on messageboards or play DOOM 3 or... all on the same machine. Save your money like I did, you could buy one too!
TV over broadband is great! Check out Backspace, you might just like it. 
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Brown2
@rr.com
| reply to UnionJax
Re: Competition
Actually the opposite would happen. They would just branch off into their own IP TV services.
Just look at VOIP as an example. Now that VOIP is becoming more a in thing, the cable companies want in. So they are now hurrying to launch their own VOIP service.
But the problem still lies in the bandwith is just not there to do it in real-time like regular cable TV works.
The closest so far is the VOD stuff that cable companies have now. Where it still uses a separate TV channel to send you the content in real-time. |
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footballdude
Premium
join:2002-08-13
Imperial, MO | reply to The Beer
Re: DaveTV?
"Only right here, on Dave TV!" |
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Brown2
@rr.com
| reply to dadkins
Re: WTF?
I have tried backspace, it suffers from the same problems all of these do. To do real-time streaming, you have to lose something in the quality and performance. The bandwith is just not there to make it work.
And don't even get me started on MCE. Hint to Microsoft, move on or make a good set-top box for MCE. We all know their failures with ultimateTV, didn't even make a year before it died.. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| reply to strohsbeer
If you have limited income, why would you even be concerned with something that is a "want" anyways? Products like these are for people willing to spend out of their excess to have them.
Just because you can't find a need for it within your bubble of a world doesn't mean the technology is junk. Goodness, some people!
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ossito16
join:2004-07-31
Whiting, IN | reply to jokerjury
Re: Invisible Usage Caps
good question, I was just about to ask myself. I see this broadband tv being an excuse to go such a barrier, yeah. |
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Anonuser
join:2003-01-03
Milwaukee, WI
| Akimbo
What is nice about the Akimbo, is it is not streaming. It downloads the Whole file to the devices HD. I have talked with some Akimbo reps, and they said you could download all the content you wanted to it, and then pickup the unit, while it is disconnected from web, and take it someplace else to view content
Thought that was fairly cool.
Depending on how well our unit performs, my family might be putting one of these in each of the cabins at their 2 resorts
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