neosolace
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Verbena, AL
1 edit | interesting
This makes me wonder what Bellsouth would do if anyone tried that here.... |
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amenite
The Soylent - It's People
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join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
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| The more I see these things happen...
...the more I believe that the big guys are no more than a wretched hive of scum and villany. I can think of no better description. I guess when you're facing being "outed" by a real competitor you'll go to great lengths.
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mooty
join:2001-01-28
Riverdale, GA
| And then, there are some....
Would you trust sending or receiving your package via USPS everytime?
They are cheap, they get the job done, they are insurable.
The USPS, even though they are a FED. GOV'T branch - are NOT the only alternative around, but that DOES NOT mean anyone will suffer to HAVE to use them. It is a choice, but you don't see other companies trying to stiffle the USPS out of doing its job.
Comcast, other incumbent broadband providers...get a clue from your customers ' demands - How many times do you see private money lenders wearing masks, holding up federal reserve banks ? -
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TechSponge
join:2001-05-14
Hillside, NJ | Thank the FCC
Be sure to send them a Thank You letter. This is all possible because of their ineptitude.
Who needs to play a cardboard board-game with cute little die-cast pieces when you can be an un-witting participant of the Real-Life game of Monopoly? |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
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join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| This does not suprise me at all
It's just another case of the ones with deeper pockets wins. Many communities have no broadband, while the nearest outlet maybe very close [1 mile] and they're told that to wire broadband would be $10,000+. So they try to wire themselves [I don't think it's very hard] and the same people have given them a huge price tag is now very cozy, buddy-buddy with them.
They'll come up with studies from places nobody has heard of, depicting the evils of broadband. And the actual people who want to set up the local network can't fight the PR campaign because that takes money. And while companies, like Comcast, can afford to do this, local government & groups just don't have the $$$.
And of course the big companies don't want competition. Why? They'll have to spend money on 1)lowering their rates to be competitive and 2)doing a better job, because now their will be someone else to go to if they don't like the service they get.
People should think of the advantages of broadband [especially if they want to install fiber]. Some companies are in the urban areas because of convenience. But if you have fiber run, you have the option of video teleconferencing and other high bandwidth applications, which is becoming more & more necessary these days. |
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
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Re: And then, there are some....
It is unbelievable the attacks we have been under the past week! www.tricitybroadband.com We shall see how much of an affect SBC and Comcast's mighty marketing flurry had on this campaign in the end, along with the releasing of the Heartland Institute's piece of trash. This battle was much worse than the last referendum in terms of how vicious the two mega corps were...I can't wait until they disclose how much they spent on this.
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thongsai
join:2002-07-04
Santa Rosa, CA
| competition kills profits
well have u guys seen shawshank redemption? that warden had prisoners run a lumber business. since prisoners dont get paid , he can lower prices to kill all other people's business. i think thats wat cable and telco is afraid of. how can u compete with little or non profit municipal business? I would do the exact same thing, save my business
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hurleyp
join:2000-06-20
Ottawa, ON | We're from the government, and we're here to help
Of course we all know that when the government steps in things become much, much better.  |
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J D McDorce
Premium
join:2001-12-29
Westland, MI
| reply to Octopussy2
Re: And then, there are some....
said by Octopussy2  :I can't wait until they disclose how much they spent on this. You'll probably be waiting quite a while. Even though Comcast and SBC are both publicly traded corporations, this type of information is nearly impossible to obtain (unless, of course, they choose to voluntarily disclose it). |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: The more I see these things happen...
said by amenite :The more I see these things happen the more I believe that the big guys are no more than a wretched hive of scum and villany. I can think of no better description. and you just now started seeing this?:o
corporate whores are everywhere:(
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amenite
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join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
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| It's now a matter of constant reinforcment rather than a new awakening to corporate weaseldom. I've been aware of the situation for too long already. 
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Octopussy2
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join:2003-03-30
Batavia, IL
| reply to J D McDorce
Re: And then, there are some....
There is a new campaign finance law on the books in IL and SBC and Comcast must comply this year. Anything over $3,000 they must report!
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
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| Podunk, Nebraska
Karl,
I realize you use the term Podunk, NE to describe the wasteland that must me this state however your missing the boat on our need to be wired.
Even towns such as Herman, NE population 300 are served by DSL here. »www.city-data.com/city/Herman-Nebraska.html
In Herman, you can get 512 Symmetrical SDSL for $39/mo
»www.greatplainsnetlink.net/actionserv.cfm
I'm not advocating for the Telco's or Cable Co's
I'm just saying if Herman, NE is wired your Podunk theory is a little off.
In Omaha, NE (The Birthplace of Level 3) you can get service from 2 different cable providers in places IN ADDITION to DSL.
Are some areas lacking coverage of High Speed? Yes.
Should they build their own if they want? Yes.
Is rural America (Or Nebraska in this example) a wasteland of no High Speed? No. |
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justncredible
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| the study cited sucks
what a pile of crap this story is. Read the study cited as a example of the small city fiber working. 1.2 million$$ invested 24 businesses served, not one single resident, all business. $2,200.00 to get the service and up to $711.00 a month for it. The study is incomplete and data is missing, what type of comapnys use the service? and what did they hire the "new" employees for? Why is a study that only services businesses used? IS this the ONLY single case that has ever shown that this crappy plan works?
If small town fiber is such a good idea let investors flip the bill, why make tax payers pay for it? In the study it clearly says it never intended to make money and it does not make money, it is a tax payers money pit. What a bad plan, tax payers supporting business fiber. The city concils should be inprisoned for wasteing so much tax money for a plan that never had a chance to show profit or even pay for itself. Whoever wrote this should have read the study first before putting it up. You have totally shown that muni fiber plans waste tax money. |
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA
| This is a Shame
This is a complete shame I have been trying to bring in some kind of real broadband service to our village for over 2 years, and yet good old Qwest fights me every step of the way.
Yet they have told me they have no intentions to deploy anything other than POTS before '09. |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
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| reply to justncredible
Re: the study cited sucks
$2200 Install
$711/mo
The company I would for would pay double that to get on a 10MBPS network, no questions asked.
And we could get on a 3mbps network for $1400/mo if we wanted (I have fiber in my building) Just the best I can do for the office I want to connect to is 768 so it would be pointless. |
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Karl Bode
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join:2000-03-02
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4 edits | reply to justncredible
How about Click! network? They entered the market in Tacoma Washington, and now the area has the lowest cable rates in the nation. They also run in the black.
How about Scottsburg, Indiana? Their school system saves roughly $6,000 per month on telecom costs thanks to a community built network.
A good plan is a good plan. A bad plan is a bad plan. You don't ban all muni operations, many of which are funded without taxpayer funds, based on some idiotic half-assed notion that they're all evil....or that government involvement results in chaos.
If the town wants to create a plan, votes for it, and wants to move forward, who the hell are you - in some other town - to say otherwise?
And think about this. If muni operations were all economically impossible and collapsed under their own weight, do you think the SBC's and Comcast's of the world would fight so hard against them?
No, they'd simply let them fail and save the money spent on lobbyists, ads, and push polls. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to The Beer
Re: Podunk, Nebraska
Sorry Zobo. I just pulled the name out of a hat. No slight intended toward Nebraska, I swear. Simply trying to make the point that small towns can't expect to become gods of economy just by running fiber..... |
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The Beer
I Love It When A Plan Comes Together
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join:2001-07-24
Omaha, NE
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| I know you just did the Podunk,NE before 
I would have to drive at least an hour from where I am at to find a cow.
Last time I relocated an office, NOT being serviceable via fiber eliminated them from the hunt.
Fiber will definately be a plus when looking to locate a business, even for a small town. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
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| reply to neosolace
Re: interesting
You need only look at what BellSouth is doing in Lafayette, Louisiana, (where they're trying to build a fiber network) to get your answer:
»You Don't Want Fiber
»"Experts" Slam Munis |
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