MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
 ·Cox HSI
| Wow.
SBC and M$ in bed together. Scary.
quote:
From there, Microsoft's TV Internet Protocol Television (IPTV) Edition software platform will manage user video content via a set-top box. SBC and Microsoft will have to fend off critics who suggest the 20-25Mbps provided won't be enough to offer full HDTV service, voice service, and broadband as effectively as FTTH or cable carriers - something the companies say they've solved via compression techniques.
I think it's hard to disagree with the fact that SBC is doing this job the half-asked way. Verizon has got it right. In the big picture, eventually, FTTH will be standard practice. SBC's method, allowing only 25mbps TOPS, will just not cut it for more than one HDTV stream + decent internet speeds. |
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-29
The Lou
·Charter Pipeline
| What's more, what will be the point of having a highspeed connection if it will be completely used just for TV?
"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."
"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"
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garcia4
join:2001-10-07
Mystic, CT
| So if project lightspeed is anything that project slowpoke was maybe in 10 years we might see something.... I wonder when SBC finally gets their way what excuse will they use when their new project comes crashing down around their ears? I know it is the cable peoples fault yea thats the ticket... |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to MarkyD
Seeing that this is a IP TV, will there be tracking 'cookies' for Microsoft/Marketers/SBC to determine what I'm watching? Lets see if I get pop-ups on my TV now  |
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DSL12steps
join:2001-12-24
| reply to garcia4
How much bandwith does HDTV really need at this time? I remember when we started installing 1.5 circuits and at that time it was considered fast enough. Listen to us complaining now! I can't believe 20-25 mbps isn't enough for all that we need in 90 percent of the homes. |
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electric_dsl
join:2004-07-20
Pickering, ON | reply to en102
they already know what you are watching and probably for how long as well. How do you think they compile those viewer stats and rankings for TV shows? |
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ape
join:2002-05-10
Chicago, IL | 25mbps
I cant take 25mbps internet connection but TV over the phone line, no thanx. I prefer my dish to watch TV. |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA | reply to electric_dsl
Re: Wow.
unless you have a tivo/stb that's connected to a phone line, they don't know what you're watching. they get the stats/ratings from surveys.
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MarkyD
Premium
join:2002-08-20
Oklahoma City, OK
clubs:
·Cox HSI
| Cable still has the upper hand!
Cable still has the upper hand here. SBC is going IPTV, and that's going to eat so much bandwidth it's not even funny. As for cable, the HFC network has TV and IP seperated. You can have TV on in 4 rooms and you won't notice a difference in your bandwidth. Not to mention, DOCSIS 2.0 will make a notable difference in the bandwidth that Cable modems can dish out.
Plus, no one has mentioned what kind of upload SBC is planning on offering. IIRC, upload is still extremely limited even on ADSL2. |
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scooby
Premium
join:2001-05-01
Schaumburg, IL | reply to DSL12steps
Re: Wow.
1 HDTV stream is about 20mbps.  |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
 ·PHONE POWER
 ·AT&T U-Verse
·AT&T CallVantage
·Time Warner VOIP
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to DSL12steps
True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.
quote:
"Yeah, I have a 25mbps connection, but I can only use 384k of it because my kids are watching Spongebob."
"Honey, turn off Oxygen, I'm lagging in CS!"
Exactly. Even if we stick with boring old 6mbps DSL speeds, that leaves only 19mbps for all the TV streams in the house. By recompressing HDTV you can get it down to 10mbps. So even with compression, at 25mbps you're limited to just two channels. If they want to do TV they're probably going to have to dedicate a pair just for TV, and use another pair for voice/broadband.
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ParanoiaInc
join:2002-08-28
Tucker, GA
| Still cheaping their way through it.
Dropping fiber hubs into neighborhoods and then relying on next generation DSL to bond pairs for a 20-25Mbps pipe for IPTV is silly, IMO. I'd much rather see them plan for the future by following Verizon's Fios quest.
Say no to copper! |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| reply to ape
Re: 25mbps
there's a difference between TV and Internet. they can "broadcast" IPTV all over the place w/ a limited bandwidth, 25mbps. so, to provide IPTV to a 100 house neighborhood, all they need to bring is a 25mbps pipe to the neighborhood and broadcast the same packet to each house.
but in order to provide 25mbps worth of internet to every house they serve, they'll need to bring much bigger pipe in to the neighborhood.
i'm not saying this is exactly how it'll work but you get the picture...
i hate latency in my satellite tv.
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b_zen
Premium
join:2002-07-24
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·TTNet
| Windows TV?
I guess SBC's looking to get as many lines in your houses at a fraction of real FTTH's cost. And that's good on the Financial side of it. What it can do can be both positive or negative... Shorten the "early adoption" frame, and lengthen the real FTTP-like roll-out.
On another note, once most SBC customers are ac-customized to yet another Microsoft platform, I am not convinced they'll want to change after that to another competitor with maybe a more open-source oriented mindset.
Especially when you converge the computers OS and content delivery like IPTV does. It eventually will in my opinion.
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DSLuser912
@mindspring.com
| reply to MarkyD
Re: Cable still has the upper hand!
"Our service will change the way people experience TV. Finally, customers will watch what they want, when they want - from a virtually unlimited and interactive content selection," said Edward E. Whitacre Jr., SBC Communications Inc. chairman and CEO. "We will deliver integrated communications and entertainment services to enhance the digital lifestyle of our customers."
Little Eddie is talking out it's butt again. Before it was 100% DSL availability, and now this.
Maybe just delivering basic connectivity would be more desirable. Countless users even in hi tech areas still have no RT's and are pitched defective lines as the only option. |
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mustang03282
join:2003-01-10
Bridgeton, NJ
clubs:
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to zno
Re: Wow.
they have people that they pay a small fee each month to wear a recorder that looks just like a old pager. every tv show and radio station puts out a ultra high signal that humans cant hear the meter that these choosen people wear hears that signal and logs it down. I was a arbitron pannelist for about 6 months
lol my wife called up comcast often because lifetime didnt work on our tv's for that 6 months |
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zno
join:2002-01-08
Atlanta, GA
| reply to djrobx
quote:
True HDTV is 19.2mbps for a single channel.
that's if they use mpeg2.
but if they use MS WMV9 HD codec, it's gonna be about 6Mbps per channel... so you should be able to watch up to 4 channels at a time.
sbc signed w/ microsoft not mpeg... so we'll see.
»www.microsoft.com/windows/window···CIP.aspx
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Cod
join:2000-07-05
Greensboro, NC
| reply to zno
Re: 25mbps
said by zno  :there's a difference between TV and Internet. they can "broadcast" IPTV all over the place w/ a limited bandwidth, 25mbps. so, to provide IPTV to a 100 house neighborhood, all they need to bring is a 25mbps pipe to the neighborhood and broadcast the same packet to each house. Where did this information come from? Not disputing what you have said, but how can you fit 100 channels on a 25mb 'pipe' for 100 houses with each one of those houses theoretically watching different channels? |
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garagerock
Premium
join:2002-06-14
Louisville, KY
| what's the need again?
wow, wonder how much the power grid will suffer as a result of all this. there's broadcast, satellite, cable...and now another offering for receiving television in the home. i'm just at a loss as to how this is better than either satellite or cable, and why it's worth billions in investments so that we can go "cool"...
when you build it, they MAY come... |
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juilinsandar
Texas Gooner
Premium
join:2000-07-17
San Benito, TX
·AT&T DSL Service
| reply to MarkyD
Re: Cable still has the upper hand!
I know I'm not switching from Time Warner cable to SBC's tv service. I really like their DSL product, and i'll be happy to get that 25mbps but I only wanna use that for internet traffic not share it with video services.
Also, I prefer Verizons FTTH over SBC's half-a**ed model. If you're gonna go out of the way to get fiber to a node you might as well take it the rest of the way to the home. I know I would be willing to pay for FTTH service.
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