jester121
Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Oligopoly fisticuffs?
Karl, please put down the thesaurus and step away...  |
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EFudd
Premium
join:2001-09-08
Brownsville, OH
| Heres to hoping....
Hopefully North Kansas will be luckier than the other cities who have tried to build their own infrastructure.
We're rooting for you North Kansas.
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Do you SetiAtHome | As you place limits and controls on me, you place them on yourselves. |
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sirsloop
Premium
join:2004-02-18
New York, NY | let em vote
$10 million dollar fiber infrastructure sounds great....let em vote!  |
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GlobalMind
Domino Dude, POWER Systems Guy
Premium
join:2001-10-29
Hollywood, FL
| Support?
If there is so much support from business to do this, then let them help push the message if/when this goes to a vote.
The muni is unlikely to have enough cash to educate the whole of the electorate, so maybe these business leaders can help out.
K.
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The agnostic dyslexic insomniac stays up all night wondering if there is a dog. |
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RadioDoc
58ef2c0
Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11
 ·AT&T Midwest
| Free enterprise?
"They should be. It's called free enterprise."
Since when is using tax dollars (yeah, that's what "casino revenues" are no matter what they try to hide them behind) "free enterprise"?
The spin whirls both ways, Karl.
Is anyone tired of this crap yet? People are not sheep when it comes to local elections. They know what they want. They don't want to pay for municipal broadband toys via taxes. End of story. If it was so good then all those North Kansas City business would invest in it privately. They got a positive response because they kited this as "free" of taxes. Bullshit.
SBC and Time Warner are doing what any corporation should do: Protect shareholder value. If these munis can compete on their own, I'm all for them. But raising the "incumbent unlimited funds for smear campaigns" flag every time one fails is pretty lame. They fail because their potential customers don't want to pay for it.
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Kearnstd
Elf Wizard
Premium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ
| Casino taxes are not like normal taxes though, they dont effect you unless you use the casino. it would be like CT using the cigerette tax to setup a fiber network, i dont smoke so id be all for it since well it would cost me nothing to build.
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting
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Well one, having a vote where one party is relatively small and the other is a multi-national corporation with unlimited funds and an experienced PR army doesn't strike me as fair process.
I'd also question people actually know what they're voting for half the time (could cite a fairly clear recent example). |
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Sweet Witch
Be the flame, not the moth.
Premium,MVM
join:2003-07-15
Gallifrey
 ·Comcast
| It would be nice
if just once companies would support infrastructure improvements instead of trying to keep everything in the dark ages. Didn't that huge blackout two years ago and the fact that we're pushing the limits on the phone lines, cable lines etc teach anything??
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Phil BK
Premium
join:2002-05-18
Miami, FL
| A vote will pretty much assure a win for time warn
All Time Warner has to do is put together a few 1984 type big brother spots and no one will vote for this.
"The city can use this network to see everything you do, and then tell the police right away through the same network. Do YOU want the government controlling your access to information?" -Paid for by The Time Warner Fleece the Customer Fund.
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claudeo
join:2000-02-23
Redmond, WA
| reply to RadioDoc
Re: Free enterprise?
said by RadioDoc  :"They should be. It's called free enterprise." Monopoly is not free enterprise. Sabotaging competition is not free enterprise. Preventing a public or cooperative venture on the grounds that it may compete with the "private sector" is not free enterprise. If the private oligopoly cannot do it better and cheaper, why should it be subsidized by ratepayers?Corporate welfare is not free enterprise. |
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jsouth
Jsouth
join:2000-12-12
Wichita, KS | reply to RadioDoc
They would have to pay either way, so I say vote on it and choose whichever is cheaper. |
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO | Makes sense..
Nothing wrong with the idea, and if the city builds it with casino dollars, the companies can PAY THEM to use it. Take that! |
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Derch
Premium
join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Bad Time Warner!
I've said this once, I'll say it many more times, any company that interrupts a fare deal that citizens can benefit from should be punished. But as long as asshat Powell is still with the FCC, such progress will be reversed. |
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nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
·Comcast
| reply to RadioDoc
Re: Free enterprise?
hey RadioDoc, the U.S. is ranked 13th in broadband in the world and falling.
that's what the telco brand of "free enterprise" has brought us.
Although I guess it's good that the poor, misunderstood incumbents have concerned citizens like yourself standing up for them as they quietly go about buying decisions from state legislatures to stifle competition.
We're number 13! we're number 13! Go SBC! go Time-Warner! |
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RadioDoc
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Premium,ExMod 2000-03
join:2000-05-11 | I guess it's all about the race, eh? Screw the cost and who pays it.
Have a nice socialist life.
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justncredible
@rr.com
| reply to markopoleo
Re: Makes sense..
"draining city coffers " yeah that makes sense. Each stae makes it own deals with casinos most I have seen are supposed to use the money for education, NOT invasion of street pole cameras. The 10 million up front is just the start, add on the staff for upkeep and maintencae cost and the monthly bill is huge to provide a VERY limited fiber ring. This idea expands goverments and that is what I don't want, the less goverment the better, the less goverment employees the better. 10 Million dollars could buy alot of new books for the kids, supporting this plan is hurting the children, Karl do you hate the children? Every penny that the state or any goverment gets belongs to the taxpayers, they is NO FREE RIDE! No matter how people try to spin it, it is a bold face lie to say that money does not belong to the people. It is plain to see crooked politicians spending our money on projects that only lead to higher taxes and less projects that benifit the people. This plan is a crime. |
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alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA
·Pacific Bell - SBC
|  Put Everyone on a Level Playing Surface!
Well like I said before, this could work if you change the Last Mile Connection. Network your Communities and Neighborhoods, including the Business Communities, then provide an MPOE (Minimum Point of Entry.) Now the Munies and Private Sector can compete for your dollar. Only this way will everyone be on a level playing field. |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs: | reply to EFudd
Re: Heres to hoping....
interestingly enough North Kansas City lies solely in missouri. |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
Premium
join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
 ·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
1 edit | reply to RadioDoc
Re: Free enterprise?
what, again, is wrong with socialism? That said, I don't see anything "socialist" about this project. "screw the cost and who pays it" - are you stoned? This is the BEST possible way to finance such a project. It's not taking money from income taxes or property taxes, just from casino taxes. I just don't see how this could be bad. I'd love for Kansas City to do the same thing, but NorthKC has always been a step ahead of us in regards to 'net speeds. |
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Justncredible
@rr.com
| reply to alchav
Re: Put Everyone on a Level Playing Surface!
how is it level when they use tax dollars to provide a very small amount of people the service? There is no way they will roll FTTH or even do what SBC is doing and roll FTTN. It is a taxpayers scam they will pay a few million for the consulting, to get a price of 10 million. It will end up costing 20+ million to lay. Read the article Karl had done last month about the fiber a muni did in canada, it shows what a money pit it is. Huge waste of money that even in the plans beifits not one single citizen. There has always and will always be groups that want to exert goverment control over every single aspect of a persons life, this plan is just another step in that direction. Anyway you look at it it is a very bad idea, spend tax payers money to charge them for internet service, at the same time track them as they go to the store and give access to city employees on the building layouts. Who trust the city employees? I don't. Wake up and end big goverment plans. |
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