odog
Cable Centric Vendor Biased
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join:2001-08-05
Norcross, GA
clubs: | whatever it takes
to bring these *uckers down. |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | Laws and others on that pipe be damned, huh? |
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amenite
The Soylent - It's People
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join:2002-11-21
Ridgewood, NJ
clubs:
 ·Verizon Online DSL
| Petitio Principii
quote:
Of course such applications beg the question: where does Spam Vigilantism end, and DDoS attacks begin? The programmer explains his ethical position here.
Petitio Principii = Beg the Question != Prompt the Question
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RyanG1
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join:2002-02-10
San Antonio, TX
clubs: | uh oh
as much as i would like to see spammers hung publicly, i would not lower myself down to their level in order to get back at them. As amusing as it seems, its not right.
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Jason Levine
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join:2001-07-13
USA | reply to odog
Re: whatever it takes
Including sinking to their level or lower?
Sorry, but I'd prefer to get rid of spammers without compromising my ethics. |
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B
Premium,MVM
join:2000-10-28
| Not the Brightest Guy?
I dunno -- for one thing there doesn't seem to be ANYTHING distributed about this "DDoS" tool -- it sounds as if each user has to specifically enter the URL he or she wishes to visit repeatedly.
So it's nothing more than a web page reloader? Where's the novelty in that?
The author writes at a decent grade level, but has nothing to say, and seems a bit naive:
Some say tools like the one I've written will overload the Internet. If it does, then it'll force ISP's to take real measures against spammers such as blocking port 25 access to outside networks by default.
If this is done, spam spewing software will have a hard time communicating without being quickly traced.
AT&T Worldnet has done this. I have yet to receive a spam form a Worldnet customer. Other measures ISP's can take include encouraging the use of more secure operating systems such as Linux, MacOS, and BSD (Maybe by offering a small discount to these users). Where has he been for the last 5 years? It's become hard to find a major ISP that DOESN'T block Port 25 outbound for residential accounts.
Not to mention that web page reloads aren't going to overtake the Internet any time soon when they have to compete with P2P traffic and real spam.
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DaSneaky1D
one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou | How is he protecting himself?
Can anyone tell if he is blocking access by this program to his site?
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markopoleo
join:2003-04-02
Bonne Terre, MO
 ·Charter Pipeline
| reply to Jason Levine
Re: whatever it takes
said by Jason Levine  :Including sinking to their level or lower? Sorry, but I'd prefer to get rid of spammers without compromising my ethics. How is it sinking to their level or lower? Your flooding there network with bandwidth..
They flood you with spam over the same network that they make thousands/millions dollars from hopeless people who buy the crap. Its a injustice of one not to fight back. You think Laws are going to stop spammers? think again. Every 1 spammer that gets caught, a dozen pop up in varying countries ready to take up the cause. |
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Karl Bode
News Guy
join:2000-03-02 | reply to B
Re: Not the Brightest Guy?
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Where has he been for the last 5 years? It's become hard to find a major ISP that DOESN'T block Port 25 outbound for residential accounts.
That was my first thought as well.... |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
1 edit | Fight fire with fire
To have peace, you must have war. Nothing with in reason is going to stop these spammers, and you know it, as I do. They will continue to operate outside of our jurisdiction, and just on the other side of the fence. I have already started designing a windows program that does the same thing, just a little more efficient with targeting.
The line must be drawn here...
To prepare for peace, one must prepare for war. |
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z28kindaguy
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join:2002-02-18
Brooklyn, MD
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1 edit | I'm gonna use it!
I like this spam fryer. Who's gonna use it?
This page is somewhat similiar:
»www.aa419.org/ladvampire.html
It attacks known fake bank or 419 sites. |
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Nerdtalker
Working Hard, Or Hardly Working?
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join:2003-02-18
Tucson, AZ
clubs:
| reply to Jason Levine
Re: whatever it takes
said by Jason Levine :Including sinking to their level or lower? Sorry, but I'd prefer to get rid of spammers without compromising my ethics. I'd rationalize it by saying you're giving them a taste of their own medicine.
Spam is effectively DOS'ing the ability to not check your inbox without having 100+ spamvertisements for vi/\gra.
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Kazaa Is Spyware. Gator / Claria Is Spyware.
I'm testing Gmail's spam filters: Broadbandreports1@gmail.com
Spam: 1186 |
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Minister
join:2002-01-02
Fleeting | reply to markopoleo
There are often innocent parties sharing that bandwidth. |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| reply to Jason Levine
Jason, I generally agree with you on most things, but there's a time when you have to fight back. You know as well as most of the people here, spam is not going to stop until something soo radical threatens their way of life.
It's time for a revolution to stop SPAM.
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA | reply to Minister
In every war, there is collateral damage. |
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MxxCon
join:1999-11-19
Brooklyn, NY
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| makelovenotspam is better
i think one of the appeals of that screensaver was that it worked w/o any manual config, and it was pretty. you could see results of your actions.
i'd be gladly running similar app.
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| reply to RyanG1
Re: uh oh
Lowering? Again you are standing up for something you believe in. Do you think our laws are going to stop them? Back in the day when laws were not passed yet, do you think people feel back on morals? No, they assembled army's of villagers with pitch forks to take care of the problem.
America has lost it's backbone some where...
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sbrook
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join:2001-12-14
H0H 0H0
·Rogers Hi-Speed
Host:
Rogers
Bell Canada
| reply to markopoleo
Re: whatever it takes
You're not just flooding *their* bandwidth, you're flooding everybody else's bandwidth too.
Somewhere I saw a comment that shortly after that site was brought up some 25% of backbones traffic was based on that tactic. I doubt the number was that high, but it was probably significant.
There are really not that many spammers out there ... but there are now a lot using trojans that make traditional methods of fighting spam like spitting into the ocean. |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
| reply to MxxCon
Re: makelovenotspam is better
I will post my app here first when it is finished. I am setting it up where it will run in the background constantly and you can throttle how much bandwidth you want to use. I am working on setting up mirrors for the attack database. The only problem with being able to add your own addresses, is it could be used for attacking sites that are not even affiliated with SPAM. My program will only download the list from a set of servers.
I am sure when my program is released, some if not all of the servers will be attacked by spammers atleast once.
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Derch
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join:2004-10-16
Tulsa, OK | Good question.
Where does the road end on this issue? I think the government doesn't act fast enough to stop these idiots from flooding the internet with garbage. But still, where does the blame go and what can we do without causing harm? |
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