pnh102
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| This Completely Misses The Point!
Why aren't these sex offenders still in jail where they belong?
These databases, while useful, do not solve the root of the problem. That is, sex offenders would not be living in your neighborhood if they were in prison for much longer sentences than they are now!
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technick
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This will work if all of the offenders register every place they move and follow probation. I don't know why they need the personal information of the offender other then his name and his picture. |
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I just wonder if we will see any members of our forums there! In Pennsylvania, you must email the State Police for access to the Pervert database and then again it is very limited.
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stufried
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Re: This Completely Misses The Point!
Because they served their sentence and apparently the California Attorney General wishes to insure that they are lynched as well.
I am no fan of sex offenders, but in my state sex between a seventeen year old and a fifteen year old (or even arguably to fifteen year olds) will get you on the list. In Michigan, public indecency is a listed offense and our prosecutors have used the law to prosecute drunks taking a wiz at in an alley. |
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technick
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Not all sex offenders are really sex offenders like the goverment makes them out to be. When I was 17, I had a girlfriend who was 15. We slept together, and I was tried for Statutory Rape when her parents found out, even though we were both minors. Does that make me a sexual offender? No, but if I would of been convicted, then I would have to register with this offenders list where ever I move.
Now that I look back at it, I am glad that everything happened the way it did. After the DA couldn't put a good enough case together besides her diary, without her testimony, they dropped the case. Her father then took out a repeat violence restraining (I had never harmed a hair on her, but when you pay someone enough money in the goverment you can make anything possible on the restraining order) order on me keeping me from her. She moved down with her biological mother almost three hours away. It didn't stop me from seeing her.
After awhile we broke it off because of the distance, and she told me that when she is 18 she would enull the order. Well longer story short, she did it and we are together today, and I get to sit across from her father at the dinner table on Holidays. He still hates my guts but he "Accepts" me I guess. I still hate his guts for what he put me through, but I try to pretend I like him. |
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bokamba
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Falls Church, VA | reply to pnh102
I think you're missing the point. You shouldn't keep sex offenders in jail forever, so the question is what to do about them when they're released. |
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Fubar
join:2001-02-20
Phoenix, AZ
| About time...
Arizona has had theirs up for a while....
www.azsexoffender.com
On the AZ site you won't get posted for "statuatory rape"
Only more serious crimes and I am glad that they do this, Especially with children...
Quote from the AZ site:
"WARNING This site does not contain information on all convicted sex offenders! Information is only provided for sex offenders with risk assessment scores of Level 2 (Intermediate) or Level 3 (High)!" |
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clubs:  | Same with Virginia, the State Police have been making that information available for years:
»sex-offender.vsp.state.va.us/ |
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stufried
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Re: This Completely Misses The Point!
There is no research that shows that this law actually deters or protects. It was the brain child of the parents of Megan Kanka (sp) not criminal justice professionals. Conversely, there have been houses burned down because a person appears on the registry, people run out of town, and homes broken into and people assaulted. Not all the individuals wounded by the vigilantes of Megan's law were convicted sex offenders.
It is one thing to give the information to police. It is another to give it to every hot head in every neighborhood. Police are notoriously bad about prosecuting these thugs because they perceive former sex offenders as "scum" and sympathize with the thugs. To steal a quote from George Bush, "they have as much use for them as flees."
I am former Chair of the Prison and Corrections Section of the State Bar in my state. I've talked to a number of corrections professionals who think the law is a horrible idea, but people know what they know and no politician wants to be perceived as "pro sex offender" so these laws pass state legislatures with little debate.
Stopping ex-cons from reintergrating into society does not reduce crime. It encourages people to either live in a criminal subsculture, or go out and buy a new driver's license on the streets to hide so deep that the police lose track of them as well.
What we do about them is an important issue. Background checks for certain jobs/positions (e.g. day care, boy scouts, etc) are good. Police knowledge of who is in town can be helpful. What the California Attorney General has done is not a good idea. IMHO, it is disguised punishment (they cannot admit the real purpose because it would probably violate the Eighth Amendment's prohibition on ex post facto laws and could raise some cruel and/or unusual punishment laws).s
Laws passed by the Legislature to encourage thugs to roam the streets and dispense "justice" are a really bad idea and I fear that is precisely the real reason for this loaw. |
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said by technick  :Not all sex offenders are really sex offenders like the goverment makes them out to be. Ain't that the truth. I know of one case several years ago when a co-worker's relative was arrested when a camera store owner called the police because the film they developed for her contained a few innocent pictures of her kids naked in the tub. The owner may have been legally required to make the call but nevertheless she was convicted of possessing 'child porn' and had her life ruined. Insane.
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cevans59
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Smithton, IL | reply to state
Re: About time...
Illinois has had theirs up for awhile now too. Of course what it really list is the last known address.
Wasn't there a story not long ago about a man looking up offenders in his state and then he was going to "take care" of them? |
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| said by cevans59 :Wasn't there a story not long ago about a man looking up offenders in his state and then he was going to "take care" of them? This story perhaps?
»www.boston.com/news/local/articl···fenders/ |
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Re: This Completely Misses The Point!
said by bokamba :the question is what to do about them when they're released. Give them all a lopitoffofme?
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1 edit | Texas has one as well
»https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/soSear···arch.cfm
I would rahter know about a sex offender living in my neighborhood than not. I would rather take precautions then end up in a situation where my child was exposed to this type of behavior or worse, becomes a new victim...
I know....they did their time...blah, blah, blah.... I don't give a damn...
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They also have a mapping utility to see how close they live to you: »216.140.183.80/SOMAP/somapSearch.cfm
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mglunt
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Re: This Completely Misses The Point!
Do you have kids?
If a sex offender moves into my neighborhood, I have a right to this information to better protect my family. I should also have access to details of the case, so I know if the sex offender was 17 and did the wild thing with a 15yr old girlfriend, or if it was a 50yr old guy molesting little kids. |
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ossito16
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Whiting, IN | another list
how about a list of execs who stole money from pensions, SEC violations, ENRON, etc. |
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Bill
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| I looked up my city...
I found 8 people, luckily nobody that lived relatively close to me.
I like the idea of this kind of database. It lets the people who live around these creeps know what's going on.
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cbiggers
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| Good move
I also think this is a great move for California. If you have kids, this will give you a lot of peace of mind knowing if there is anyone in the neighborhood you should watch out for...people have a right to know this kind of information. Once you have commited a crime, you lose certain rights, and this is one of them. If you don't do anything wrong again, then it shouldn't be a problem (probably depends where you live in California, but I'd like to think most people are fairly civilized and tolerant here). |
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stufried
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Re: This Completely Misses The Point!
Most states don't give you the information you seek and with all due respect, this individual also has the right not to have his house torched or to be beaten in the streets.
The other problem frankly is that there are a huge number of false accusations out there, (remember McMartin preschool). In a different generation, I'd have a prosecutor who had a case crumble give a deal say to fourth degree criminal sexual conduct with an agreement that my client receive diversion and no permenant record. Now, with Megan's laws we are seeing those things posted on the net.
It is a popular belief that innocents will not plead guilty. When a person is offered a sweat heart deal if you plea and are gambling on a potential life sentence if the jury believes a kid in the box, many people will take the deal.
How do we put all this on the web if you think that society has the right to do this renige on the deal in the first place (remember the promise for no record. It is functionally meaningless once you are posted on perverts.com). |
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insomniac
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Re: another list
I agree. We need the Corporate Criminal Database. |
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