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Comments on news posted 2004-12-31 15:30:48: The California Public Utilities Commission has filed a petition for review with the U.S. Court of Appeals for the Ninth Circuit challenging the FCC's recent decision to exempt Voice over IP provider Vonage Holdings from state-by-state regulations. ..

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hescominsoon

join:2003-02-18
Brunswick, MD
this will be interesting to watch

This will go to the supreme court as the 9th circus will be in full effect once again.


Bill
Light Up The Halo
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join:2001-12-09
clubs:

Hasn't the ninth circuit...

lost all credibility recently? Whenever you need some liberal activist judge to rule in your favor, that's where you go.
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AbBaZaBbA
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join:2002-07-10
Wildomar, CA
recently? haven't they been full of liberal activist judges for along time?


oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA
Over $100 billion

...and they still want even more money from California tax payers. Perhaps if they would quit the 40% increases in spending they wouldn't need to squeeze more blood from us turnips.


oliphant
I Have 8 Boobies
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join:2004-11-26
Corona, CA

reply to Bill
Re: Hasn't the ninth circuit...

People talk about how they're the most overturned court, but if you take it as a percentage of cases, they're not the most overturned. They're simply overturned often because they handle more cases that the other districts. Not saying they're not insane kooks on that bench, but they're no more insane than any of the others.

yazdzik
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join:2000-07-26
Honesdale, PA
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even the luddites hate taxes

Dear Friends,

The concept of appellation from an order resulting from the use of ministerial powers is simply a normal course of events in protecting jurisdiction.

As much as I hate the thought of the states regulating VOIP, it is hard to see that the intention to file appeal is anything more than pro forma in this case. Too much case law on the side of the ministries, and the requirement is that something is both arbitrary and capricious. Hard to make that stick.

It is equally hard to see how, in spite of the legal theory, that the state would prevail, as no sane politician would create taxes, irrespective of their necessity. Whether or not the perception is even true, many folks feel that anything done on the net is tax-free, that the internet is a haven from the vultures.

My wife, a luddite in excelsis, hating the very thoughts of computers and even cell phones, wants to use VOIP.....

Cheap and untaxed.

Remember, when most teens today will be of voting age, few of the industry ideals of today will hold.

All good wishes,

Yazdzik
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Bob in Dallas

@comcast.net
reply to oliphant
Re: Over $100 billion

Yet another reason why I left Cali...


calvoiper

join:2003-03-31
Belvedere Tiburon, CA

reply to oliphant
Re: Hasn't the ninth circuit...

Yes, but the Ninth Circuit leads in "summary reversals", where the Supremes just hand a case back without full treatment--sort of saying "Wrong, dummies, look at this again"--essentially where the error is so obvious it need not be explained.

calvoiper
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VoIP--the death knell of remaining voice monopolies!


veloslave
Geek For God
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join:2003-07-11
Pleasant Hill, CA
reply to Bill
More like...

The ninth circut court of personal agenda


lt_wentoncha
Red6

join:2002-05-12
000000
 PUC

The PUC, weren't these the people same people who were responsible for overseeing the failure that is energy deregulation in CA?


GilbertMark
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join:2001-05-02
Gilbert, AZ
yes those were the chowder heads that blew it, thanks puc

i really loved those $300 PG&E bills for a household of 3 that i got for a few months in that horrible year


paulhaskew
Unoffical Dominos Spokesman

join:2002-01-10
Vancouver, WA
clubs:
bah

California... how did I know they would be the first to do this? they wanna tax anything and everything, including the air your breathe... bah...


justncredible

@rr.com

reply to yazdzik
Re: even the luddites hate taxes

OMG your the biggest idiot I have seen on these broads. You really think you talk above the "common" people, my guess is your a professor at some idiot uni, full of himself, dude your a moron. Kids today are not stupid, they voted Bush in, and the next generation will do the same. Industry is the peoples lifeblood. Freedom to choose is our inherited domain. We the people payed for it and by Gods will we will hold it. I wish upon you you only pain and suffering, the same you wish upon me and mine.


Mospaw
D O N E
Hawaiian Jellyfish
join:2001-01-08
The Pacific

3 edits
reply to justncredible
Re: even the luddites hate taxes

That was a rather unwarranted attack on someone. I hope you find healing, compassion, and kindness in your heart this new year.


catseyenu
Ack Pfft
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join:2001-11-17
Fix East

3 edits
said by Mospaw See Profile:




Another master of words, thanks Mos!


2kmaro
Think
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join:2000-07-11
ColossalCave
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reply to justncredible
said by justncredible:

OMG your the biggest idiot I have seen on these broads.
Idiot or not, at least he's getting some! Seems you could do well to do the same. Start saving your money now?
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Stanta
Premium
join:2002-04-13
98034-7901

Will Government Ever Learn it needs to Shrink?

More Regulation of a something that is to be FREE PUBLIC DOMAIN...

I agree with the 9th Circuits decision and hope to the high heavens that somehow, someway the decision will be upheld in the interest of the small guy, the almighty Consumer...

When will enough of us TaxPayers finally get together, speak up and say, "Enough is Enough!"?

California does tax the bajeebers out of everything and that is why they should lose on this one. Just because technology is changing and the advent of new communication tools are being explored and utilized does not mean "WE" the people should go along with being bamboozled into paying for something that should remain unregulated and open to free use and expression as the Internet is and was always intended to be.

Stop PIRACY by the very Government that is to SERVE the PEOPLE.

Stand up and be counted, Speak out AGAINST this terrible use of public resource when there are so many other important things to keep their eyes on like Balancing a Budget, Cutting Spending and Shrinking the Bureaucracy!

Stop taxing the LIFE out of the TaxPayer. Let VoIP be.


qdemn7
Smurf in My Loop
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join:2003-09-16
Fort Worth, TX

Ninth Circuit Court of Fools

The continued idiocy of the the Ninth Circuit Court, coupled with the guessing game about the retirement of the Justices on the USSC are very good arguments for imposing a 25 year term limit for Federal Judicial appointees. No one should guaranteed a lifetime appointment to any job, especially ones as important as the US Circuit Courts and the USSC.
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