funkyfelty
Armament For Peace
join:2002-10-01
Lebanon, PA | yahoo
Near the top post, anyway, I hope that more municipalities fight the big companies
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AuraReturn
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join:2003-08-18
San Francisco, CA
clubs: | Competition
Competition sucks...for this occasion. |
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Carl
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join:2004-07-21
Krotz Springs, LA
1 edit | Good thing :D
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Carl
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join:2004-07-21
Krotz Springs, LA | I live close to Lafayette, I used to live there, in fact, and this (debate) is a good thing. They DO have to get out of the way!
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
| How convenient
for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." Hmm...I wonder who is "our." I'm sure he doesn't speak for everyone in his community...probably not even 51% on something as controversial as a muni.
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Carl
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join:2004-07-21
Krotz Springs, LA | Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas.
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Carl Smith, formerly known as crstec. |
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technick
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join:2000-12-16
Loganville, GA
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Re: yahoo
Top Post? Come on.. grow up, this is a very important matter. I hope they run Bellsouth & Cox out of town. It might be minor win, but hopefully more communities will make their move to wire themselves instead of depending on these large companies who have no motivation.
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hailinfantry
Bizarro Quinn
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join:2004-01-18
Brooklyn, NY
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Re: How convenient
said by Carl  :Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas. He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity.
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2005-2006
@optonline.net
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Re: yahoo
Yes, run that fiber baby!! Now Verizon should look at that and take a friggin hint, rolling out the fiber like its molasses!!!
Now, if either cablevision or verizon drop the ball, municipal fiber is the way to go, it creates new jobs that are relatively good paying. And to hell with that commercial that says if gov't would get out of the way, telcom companies would innovate... yeah, on the scale of a snail, cherry picking the best, sweetest deals in the country-- as had been the case for years, and years, and still happens today... Its NOW 2005, how long into this year will we wait for the NY market? It should have been 1995 dummies, not 2005, not 2015, not 2025, etc, etc etc.. |
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raydsltech
join:2004-07-04
Concord, NC
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Re: How convenient
Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it. |
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Carl
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join:2004-07-21
Krotz Springs, LA
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said by hailinfantry : said by Carl :Our is the City of Lafayette, and LUS, which is the city consolidated government's utility system. They provide electric and water in Lafayette and surrounding areas. He is a constituent of the people, not a business entity. Well, the local news channel KLFY did a poll and over half the city said they were willing to use LUS and that it was a good idea.
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2Much
@cox.net
| Too much competition
I understand the desire to run your own fiber to each house, but there may be too much competition for each network to support themselves. Both Bell and Cox's network (physical plant) and support structure (field techs/operators/electricity cost etc.) are designed with a required number of customers to support itself. When you throw in a new fiber plant, a WISP, a satellite provider, and internet over your cell phone then the customers get divided pretty thin. So thin that some of these are not going to make it. (P.S. Bell and Cox are not going anywhere, they have more money than this little town and too much already invested.) Then that leaves a dark fiber network, waste of taxpayer's money, political suicide for whoever supported it, and several upset ex-customers.
/flame suit on...
I know that nobody will support me on this, but it is the government that should get out of the way of the Bells and let them build and KEEP TO THEMSELVES a fiber network. The line sharing situation makes the Bells shy to the idea of investing billions of dollars into a network that resellers can pick and choose the high dollar customers and stick Bell with the sour grape customers. Those high dollar customers are what supported the network when the sour grapes didn't pay their bills.
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flushls
join:2004-11-02
Joyce, WA | RBOC broadband is vaporware
Unless BS (bellsouth or Bullsh*t??) is willing to pull fibre in Lafayette now, then they should get out of the way.
RBOC broadband is the biggest bit of Vapourware since the new ducknukem.
anyway this clowns 2 cents worth |
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72276539
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join:2001-01-19
Atlanta, GA
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Re: How convenient
said by hailinfantry :for the mayor to say that due capitalist process should "get out of our way." I would do just that, get out the way. When it comes time to connect into the network tell em to build various fiber nodes to someone else. Since Bell and Cox are so bad you are tellin them to get out of your way, they obviously must not be good enough to connect into.
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some guy
@66.84.x.x
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maybe if the capitalist system actually worked
all it does now is encourage the big players to sit on their thumbs and rake in the profits since nobody else has the money to compete with them (except municipalities, which they are taking out of the game through propaganda techniques and outright bribery of state officials) |
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russotto
join:2000-10-05
Collegeville, PA | reply to raydsltech
Muni's are a competing-evils thing. On the one hand, socialized broadband is bad. On the other hand, effective-duopoly broadband supported by the FCCs and franchise agreements is bad too. |
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underscore
join:2004-04-20
Fairfax, VA
1 edit | reply to raydsltech
said by raydsltech :Government can do very little correctly and not without wasting tons of money. Do you want the government to build and maintain your network? I don't! The government is suppose to protect us not provide us with another wealth redistribution scheme. This is all about having hard working people pay for internet access via taxing the so called rich and giving away internet access for those who can't afford it. "Terry Huval, director of the Lafayette Utilities System, thinks BellSouth's real goal is to kill the project. "Their end-game is to frustrate us so much that we back away from this project," he says. Huval adds, "There won't be any cross-subsidies" because the city plans to use revenue from its new broadband services to finance the entire cost of the project."
Most rich people get their money off the backs of the hard working lower-class, So it doesn't bother me. |
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spie34
Hmm
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join:2004-01-06
Boise, ID
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The government wants to let people have competition yet they have all these rules in effect to actually allow monopolies though they say they aren't. But I say yes there is when you have 2 decisions. choice 1 100 dollars choice 2 99.99.
I hope the bells and cox lose this battle. |
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ronpin
Imagine Reality
join:2002-12-06
Nirvana | reply to technick
Re: yahoo
Just tie "gay marriage" to fiber -- and the telco's can get everybody to fight it (hey it got an idiot elected president) |
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gaboy
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join:2003-02-13
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Re: RBOC broadband is vaporware
Here is my own story about competition
When I first moved in 96 I became the one and only person to take advantage of the phone company's dsl line for 69.99
a month for 750 down and 100 up
4 years later the cable company started offering broadband for 49.99 for 1024 down and 512 up. Consequently my phone company lowered their price 44.99 and upped my speed.
2 years later the city runs it's own service for 29.99 (which I did switch to)1024 down and up. The city also offers a plan 20.99 that 256 down and 128 up while this is not enough for speed for most users here it is perfectly adequate for users who simply want e-mail and some general surfing and at the same price as dial up.
Of course the telco and other cable company have reduced prices and increased services to keep up and now I pay the city 24.99 and get speed of 1400-1900 down and around 600 up.
I LOVE COMPETITION |
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