russr
join:2000-07-25
Hillsborough, NJ | Why was it there?
Why did they put it there in the first place? |
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yock
TFTC
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Fairfield, OH
| said by russr  :Why did they put it there in the first place? P2P apps are a sure-fire money maker. As long as there is free music, movies, and software to be downloaded you'll see underhanded attempts to make money off of the greed of others.
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MarkH
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| said by yock : said by russr :Why did they put it there in the first place? P2P apps are a sure-fire money maker. As long as there is free music, movies, and software to be downloaded you'll see underhanded attempts to make money off of the greed of others. As long as there is music and movies, you'll see underhanded attempts to make money off the talent and work of others. Just ask the **AA. 
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jazzy_
join:2004-01-27
Charleston, SC | Interesting
Interesting move indeed. Might be worth a look now. Though normal BitTorrent works fine for me. |
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yock
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Re: Why was it there?
No one ever said that the recording industry is full of saints =)
The truth of the matter is that the recording industry is basically a collection of banks (the record companies) that make bad loans. While they have every right to collect big on the success of those loans (most of them are dismal failures) the industry collusion that is the RIAA is ensuring the stagnation of the music industry. The same holds true for the MPAA. Ever notice the lack of competition in the music industry? Why do you think prices are so out of whack?
All of this still doesn't justify obtaining those works illegally.
...and don't forget the software companies. While some of their business tactics might not sit well in our stomachs, at least they're competing with each other and not colluding into some magical `**AA` group to guarantee their profits without regard to consumers.
edited for a grammatical brain fart
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not a flame
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| not a flame
I also download music and movies myself, but eveytime I hear a story like this i can't help but to reminded myself of the old saying "there is no honor among thieves." |
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MarkH
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Re: Why was it there?
said by yock :All of this still doesn't justify illegally obtaining those works illegally. I admit, I obtain the works illegally.........
Then if it's a keeper so to speak, I'll go out and buy a copy, prefferably from a used cd/dvd dealer. If it's not worth buying, it's not worth keeping on hdd though.
Here's a scenario for people to consider though.......
A person is burgled, their music collection is stolen; the person gets their insurance payout and decides to go buy replacements for the music, most often than not you have a hard time finding older works by obscure bands..... The labels in their ultimate wisdom though have decided that the music you want to buy will no longer be available to buy, basically they have deleted the album from their catalogue, if you can't find a copy in a second hand music store, do you a)download illegally, or b)go without in future?
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Thaler
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Encino, CA
| reply to yock
No one ever said that the recording industry is full of saints =) You'd think they could hire at least ONE person in the industry with trace amounts of a concience, ethics, or human compassion...at least for PR's sake. |
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yock
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Fairfield, OH
| reply to MarkH
said by MarkH : The labels in their ultimate wisdom though have decided that the music you want to buy will no longer be available to buy, basically they have deleted the album from their catalogue, if you can't find a copy in a second hand music store, do you a)download illegally, or b)go without in future? The advent of stores like Borders Books and Music have made this situation almost non-existent. I once special ordered a 15+ year old recording of a Trinidad & Tobago steel band competition. Another time I special ordered a recording out of Japan through a distributor in Singapore of a Tokyo orchestra's debut recording of a particular piece...talk about obscure!
These works can often be special ordered through distributors who specialize in obtaining works from the copyright holders themselves. What's more is you also now have a direct line to the content publisher to obtain more works from the hard-to-find artist, because these obscure records ALWAYS include catalogs and order forms.
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MarkH
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1 edit | Indeed, the situation is almost non existent, but when you do run up against the few pieces you want, and the dealers/suppliers can't find, what then?
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Aleck79
join:2003-07-23
College Station, TX | What about Cydoor that is already installed???
What about the novice internet user who doesn't know about Cydoor? Is the next version going to remove it from their system?
Or is it just going to leave it there? |
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Derfel
join:2004-06-06
Winnipeg, MB | reply to not a flame
Re: not a flame
No, I totally agree with you. No honour among "thieves" at all. In fact, the fact that Kazaa went after Kazaa Lite was so hypocritical, it's unbelievable. |
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masterwolfe2
Resident Redneck
join:2001-03-07
Hiawassee, GA
| NOT fixed yet
According to this post here »3dgpu.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=2819 the new version is NOT clean.
I ran spybot and adaware before installing this and the system was clean.
I installed Exeem and spybot found "Freescratchandwin" Not as bad as cydoor, but still putting programs on my computer without asking or notifying me.
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join:2000-09-05
Dallas, TX
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| reply to not a flame
Re: not a flame
said by not a flame:
I also download music and movies myself, but eveytime I hear a story like this i can't help but to reminded myself of the old saying "there is no honor among thieves."
This statement especially applies to the owners of
Kazaa, Sharman Networks, who had the sheer audacity
to try suing others releasing hacked versions of their
software for copyright infringement, when their own
product allows its users to do the same.
Someone once suggested that adware/spyware was a
possible win-win situation for both P2P users and
the content cartels: the users could still download
songs in exchange for seeing industry benefitting
ads in the P2P software. But I think this idea is
fundamentally flawed.
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russr
join:2000-07-25
Hillsborough, NJ | reply to masterwolfe2
Re: NOT fixed yet
Hahahah, that's pretty funny. Did anyone else try it with Spybot before and after to see if this is the case? |
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some guy
@milwwi.ameritech
| cydoor isn't "bundled". it's now hard coded into the app
see
»www.slyck.com/forums/viewtopic.p···start=50
for details
exeem is even slimier than kazaa, and that says a lot |
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Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
·Verizon FIOS
| reply to MarkH
Re: Why was it there?
said by MarkH : said by yock :All of this still doesn't justify illegally obtaining those works illegally. I admit, I obtain the works illegally......... You do? Funny, no court, in any country, any place in the world has deemed copying music for no profit illegal, anywhere. US copyright laws state that material harm to the copyright owner must be caused by distribution, yet profits continue to increase year over year.. The only people that actually say this is illegal, are the **AA's and the drones that mouth everything they're told.
Unless you can quote some court ruling to the contrary, please don't bother.
I don't use this stuff anyway, but it really sickens me how the term ILLEGAL has been attached to this act through intense propaganda.. |
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yock
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join:2000-11-21
Fairfield, OH
| Well you make a good argument, but it's a farce.
The distributor of the copyrighted material is causing harm through lost profits from sales. The person who downloads this material is guilty of receiving stolen property.
Either way you look at it, it's illegal.
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osme
Premium
join:2001-09-07
Hamilton, ON
1 edit | "Told you so"
I remember posting in the last news story about Exeem, saying there was spyware or adware in it, and the fanboys flamed me. Well, how's that, cocksuckers?
Enjoy the cydoor. |
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antwanp
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| said by osme :I remember posting in the last news story about Exeem, saying there was spyware or adware in it, and the fanboys flamed me. Well, how's that, cocksuckers? Ouch! That's harsh, but sadly true.
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